Will you accept Trump's impeachment/removal?

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Will you accept Trump's impeachment/removal?

  1. Yes, its totally Constitutional.

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    36.6%
  2. Never, Trump was elected and he has done nothing wrong.

    13 vote(s)
    31.7%
  3. ONLY if he is removed for committing a VERY serious crime, like murder, theft, or treason.

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    31.7%
  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Trump is impeached or removed via the 25th Amendment, will you accept this and not urge protests or violence?

    The Constitution allows for the President to be impeached by 2/3 of the Senate and 51% of the House or removed by a majority vote of the Cabinet and 2/3 of House and Senate.

    Its perfectly legal. It cannot happen without massive bipartisan support and concensus.

    Will you accept this? Will you call for massive protests to keep Trump in office? Will you support violent insurrection to keep Trump in office?
     
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    I'm not seeing a strong enough case for removal from office at this point.

    It took years of building a case against Nixon to force him out, and even then he had many hard core supporters.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remain Calm.

    Trump will be your President until at least 2020.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i agree. unless Mueller finds something we dont yet know, Trump hasn't yet committed any impeachable offenses while in office.

    but he has committed some crimes before being President, yet no President has ever been impeached for crimes committed before being inaugurated.
     
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    I pretty much agree with the above. He hasn't been accused of doing anything impeachable yet.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    obstruction of justice is an impeachable offense
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have we proof Trump obstructed a thing?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    attempting to obstruct a criminal investigation, is a crime.
     
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    There are really two questions to impeachment proceedings left, if we assume that there is no 'high crime' The first is what sorts of misdemeanors could the language have referred to when it was written for an original intent understanding? The second question is should the House of Representatives care about original intent, or should the Senate as they are the arbiters of how to apply the language. I offer up this article for a good summary here as it touches upon both. http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/100/standards-for-impeachment. According to Prof Presser, 'high crimes and misdemeanors' was a term of art more than law in English history and it was frequently applied to impeachment matters across the pond back in the day, so there is some justification for a finding of serious dereliction of duty as sufficient but most legal scholars today, tend to interpret it are requiring some serious lawbreaking. Read it for yourself. Former President Ford held, even before Watergate (there was this federal judge matter, see....), that it was entirely the purview of the House to decide and it was designed as a political question.

    Here is another interesting link it describing the debate process by the framers for impeachment through the notes of Madison got to that phrase. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/impeach/constitution.html
     
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    Link to evidence he did this?
     
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    The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order.
     
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    If he does get impeached, it'll be interesting -- in a world-terrifying sort of way -- to see whether he attempts some sort of power grab. All he's gotta do is keep the army on his side and keep whining that nobody's been fair to him, it's all others' fault, the system is rigged, the honest media's lying to us, blah blah blah more of Trump's endless lies.

    In any case, I would like to see him impeached -- but not until 2019. Once he's gone, we're stuck with Pence, who knows how to actually work with the Reps.
     
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    that is an assertion with some support by constitutional scholars, including here from 1833, http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_5s18.html but there is another more narrow view.... Its a hard call for me if I were in the House or Senate having to vote and nothing more came out. I just don't know how I feel without conclusive evidence of outright criminal conduct.
     
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    I would oppose any president, of any party, being removed from office for no reason.


    Since OP provided no reason or justification for his removal, I'm just going to assume his only reason is that he doesn't like Trump.
     
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    What crimes?
     
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    so if 18 Republicans voted to impeach in the Senate, you still wouldn't support it?

    currently, 18 republican Senators would have to vote for impeachment

    thats 1/3 of all GOP Senators
     
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    Not without a justification more significant than "I don't like him".
     
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    1/3 of the GOP Senators will not vote for impeachment simply cause they dont like Trump.
     
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    If it was done legally and for legitimate reasons then why protest our system worked? If on the other hand it is just a coup by the politicians and they remove him illegally then we should resist in order to protect the Constitution and our country.
     
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    if 66 Senators vote for impeachment, then it was done legally and should be respected
     
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    So you believe anything voted on in the senate should just be respected without protest as long as 66 votes are gotten?
     
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    So you believe anything voted on in the senate should just be respected without protest as long as 66 votes are gotten?

    (sorry double post)
     
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    THEN we FEMA camp em? Good plan.
     
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    If those AntifAssHats don't move the time-table up!
     
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    Politicians votes do not create a legal justification.

    Under your proposal, any time a party has control of the House and a super majority in the Senate they should be able to remove the president without any justification.
     

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