Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

Did you know, Kuwaitis threaten, harassed, ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousand of Palestinians and stole their land and belonging? Iraqis did something similar, and so did Saudis, Syrians... and Jordanians, Jordanians... how could Jordanians do what they did, to their own kin? Why's that everyone is doing it to Palestinians, but you only single out Israel? Do tell?

 

Wow, a beautiful wall of text... glad to see you being well, alexa

 

I don't doubt that the Balfour Declaration gives the native Arabs protections as you said.
I was simply commenting on the power & influence of Zionist lobbies over previous & subsequent British Foreign policy that has allowed Zionist terrorist gangs to engage in unfettered ethnic cleansing.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

That's easy.
The difference is that Israel is and has been engaging in ethnic cleansing using $ Trillions in American funds, material & under international UN protection (i.e. vetoing UN Resolutions sanctioning Israel).
Without unconditional $ Trillions in US aid & protection Israel would be unable to build The Wall, illegal & Peace-Busting Settlements, maintain an illegal nuclear arsenal & persecute Palestine's native Arab population etc.
As an American, I feel an obligation to condemn the enormity of America's complicity in what is one of the world's longest & greatest crimes against humanity.

“The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3

billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government,

this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of

dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the

surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S.

support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3

trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED

 

Your entire claim that Zionism is the closest thing to Nazism was based on 3 things, the existence of Kibbuts (I kid you not you did make this claim), the fact that it's a jewish state and the claim that Israel is conducting expansionist policy (to which I demonstrated that it returned 99% of the land it conquered).

Lest we forget - one man one vote, the right to elect and be elected, the country has two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic, independent judiciary, the minorities have all citizenship rights, newspapers, organizations, political parties. lest we forget, no gas chambers, no concentration camps..... Don't twist yourself into a jewish pretzel trying to weasel yourself out of your absurd statements.

 

We dont "always want more" its just your Jew hating culture that twisted your mind, ppl trade, buy , sell, gain more, trade more, invest more, you thought we will be on freeze like the Palestinians on boycott ? no we live on.

It's not one sided and the Palestinians whine for a living yet get very little becaus ethey have very little to offer, its not about whp has the cutest smile or sadest eyes, I would expect a man in your age to know that, you are not thinking strait.

What does he got to do with the topic ? he is a fanatic but carries no authority, the conquest of Gaza was not even been arguyed at last OP.

It got nothing to do with the topic at hand but fine, if we see any boats heading to Gaza to transfer them away - ill join your cause, till then try to stay on topic.

 

My Grandma family too, her father was a soldier in the Ottoman army,

Its not a question wether you belive it or not, its the principle that at the time of the mandate end bith Jews that were there - makes no diffrence if they were born there or not, and the Arabs, had same rights.

Your objection to that is what gives legitimacy to our conquests BTW, in 1948 at least.

 

It does not, it gives same rights to both, immigrants that live in Jewish town that already existed are in no way harming Arab rights, in any case the war changed everything and ofc rights were harmed.

 

I would actually, if the underlying intent was to carve out a nation-state.
Its down to intent. Invaders sounds awful but invading and raiding are different things. I have no doubt the Jewish invaders intended to build and develop their targets.

Well he misnamed his signature tome, then. If he indeed had a different actual intent, one can hardly blame the Arabs for being confused and threatened by it.

Sudani refugee is not intending on carving off a separate nation state that would by definition exclude the majority of the indigenes.

No, its based on it being a nationalist-socialist movement. I posed practical examples to support that, but there is also the fact that this is what the word "Zionism" actually means.

Well, one man one vote except for the Palestinian refugees, which is kind of the difficult nub of the issue, isn't it?

 

Oh you don't know how many creative answers crossing my mind right now, but I'll pass this time...

 

That was done in the 19th centuary and at that time even the Arabs blessed the Zionist investments including land purchase, it could have gone in many paths not just war, your judgment on these actions according top what happened in the future is not fair and not objective and so we do label it as hatred rather than an objective criticism.

I do not blame them for their own national objectives, or blame you for your own hatred for that matter I merly say as long as they pursue it we are not obliged to peace and withdrawal from anywhere.

Its insane to accuse Holocaust refugees wanting anything other than peacful living after what they been trou, you generalize because you hate, again, not objective.

 

LOL, word association games much? Play them all by yourself. Adults need more serious arguments that this "Israel has socialist kibbutz and is a jewish nation so it's the closest thing to Hitler" gibberish.

Yep, non-citizens don't vote, 20% and growing arab minority in Israel do and they have the right to elect and be elected, have their own official language, political parties and organizations, newspapers, members of the government and supreme court and full citizenship rights.

 

I'm talking about Zionism as a political movement, whilst Israel is a country.
You are welcome to pose alternative definitions of Zionism that do not adhere to the core principles of a nationalist-socialist movement...

Exactly. Deny citizenship and you get your Jewish democratic majority. That's the whole point behind denying the right of return, isn't it?

 

You're aware that I'm of Jewish extraction, right? So you can cut out all this "hate" business. I don't hate my grandfather, who fled the Nazis and went on to fight in WWII.

1. Yes it could have gone down many paths, and there was definitely support for Jewish immigration. What changed was when Zionists (not the Jews) started banging on about nationhood and beating up the "inferior" Arabs. I totally blame the Zionists for the situation in Palestine today.

2. Everyone is obliged to peace. And the Palestinian refugees are entitled to a vote in the Knesset.

3. Its quite logical that Holocaust refugees would be want something other than peaceful living. The statement exposes, with respect, a lack of experience of war zones. War brutalizes people. Bonds of communities are tightened whilst the lives of others are cheapened. People get urgent about their own security. Yeah, Zionists wanted a land of peace and security - for themselves, and were perfectly willing to kill weaker peoples to achieve it.

 

I know, you hate the millions that established a home in Israel, many also fled the Nazis.

No, it started when the Arabs objected the immigration with violence, only then the "Hagana" was formed and the Brits approved of it because of the Arabs attacks, it was that violence - while I can understand it - that made ppl realize that if they want a secure ilving they need to be indipendant from the Arabs or suffer when the Arabs feel like it in the future.

Not practicle after all the wars and terror we've been throu, was only possible during 1948-49 after the war, not now.

You ackoledge the violence started from the Arab side but you defend it as legit, I also understand their vilence, but there is no indication the Zionists planned in advance on this violence, as I said it could have gone in a diffrent path.

 

Rejecting the state of Israel helped in the decision not accept them and the UN privious vote on two natinal countries held, they should have declared indipendance in 1949 while under Jordan if that was their objective and not the destruction of Israel.

 

Your "definition" is alternative and it exists in your imagination where word association "nation" + "socialist kibbutz" equals to Nazism. In the real world the definitions have nothing in common, not one word:

Zionism : an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel

Nazism: the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the Nazis in Germany from 1933 to 1945 including the totalitarian principle of government, predominance of especially Germanic groups assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer

Exactly, non-citizens don't vote. All Israeli citizens enjoy equal rights and the arab minority has their own official language, political parties, newspapers orgranizations, members of the government and the supreme court

 

Rather, I dislike the Zionists and their politics. Individual Jews moving to Israel and trying to make the most of their lives? Nothing wrong with that.

No, I don't acknowledge that at all. I suspect violence actually started from Russian immigrant Jews, but probably at a lower level of general brutality, but there is so much diffusion noone can say for certain.

What I can say is that the Zionists were the protagonist agitators, and a violent reaction to that from the natives was perfectly foreseeable. Its not like we haven't seen it in every other case of foreign colonization in the history of the world.

Why not?

 

Why would a person want to destroy their own homeland?

 

I'm afraid its an Arab majority - Israel have just rigged the vote.

 

Why would a Palestinin declaration of indipendanc in 1949 be considered destruction of their own land ?

 

You said their aim was the "destruction of Israel", it's up to you to explain that one....

 

The question was, why' is it everybody' doing it to Palestinians but it is Israel, which is being singled out? I mean, do you think Palestinians care who robs them, Arabs or the Jews?

They probably do not mind to be robed by Arabs, for I never hear the whisper about Kuwaitis, Saudis, Iraqis, Jordanians...

 

So now you suggest they regard Israel as their state ? see you conjur all this stuff in your head because it makes sense to you but it backed up by nothing..., who/where in a Palestinian refugee camp ever said the ISRAEL is his country ?? they say Israel is occupier to be removed if they even give the credit to call it "Israel" and not the "Zionist entity"

 

Rigged my ass, they dont even care to establish a gov, all they do is protest.