I sure hope not...the U.S. Navy has become the most politically correct branch of the services with way to many snowflakes who think they are sailors who can't even row a boat. First the liberals ended a long time tradition of the drumming out of the service for those who were awarded a Bad Chicken Dinner or a Dishonorable Discharge. Then in the early 1970's liberals in Congress said that Navy/Marine RED LINE BRIGS and Army Red Line Stockades were politically incorrect after a Congressional investigation of the infamous Camp Pendelton brig which was a red line brig. Now snowflake sailors who screw up and are sentenced to three days of bread and water in the brig can't fins a safe space and are whining. Two sources here just published in "Navy Times." So what's your thoughts ? Any vets who have any good stories who ended up in the brig or stockade ?
There has to be some old swabbies who did some brig time before the U.S. Navy went politically correct and was feminized. There are a few stories online. I chased a fair amount of prisoners. One time I was transporting a guy I had gone to boot camp with from the brig to his court marshal. He asked me what I would do if he jumped out and took off running. I told him I would shoot him. He said "but we're friends". I told him if he were my friend he wouldn't put me in that position and make me serve his time. When my driver slowed at a grade the guy jumped out. I racked a round into my Model 12 and he turned white. Then he climbed back into the vehicle. To this day I am grateful that he didn't put me to the final test...
Long time coming. I went through basic training in the Air Force in 1971. At that time if you put your wet clothes in a plastic bag and were caught you had to walk through the barracks with your clothes bag over your head saying I am a dumb ****. I visited about 10 years later and told my wife during the tour what happened and the instructor said "oh no we would never do that." He was serious.
The Air Force went to being politically correct in just ten years ? Is it true that back in the day if an airman was sentence to doing more than 30 days they did their time in an Army stockade ? That's what I've heard.
Kinda appears today's snowflake sailors can't handle being brig rats in today's PC brigs. Just think if Hillary were have won the election. They would be adding safe spaces in every brig for these snowflake sailors and issuing weekend liberty passes for every prisoner. Just for the fun of it they should paint a red line down the passage ways in every brig just to watch these snowflakes piss in their panties.
Considering the example of the Shiloh and how the practice can be abused by shitty commanders with zero oversight, yeah, maybe its time for it to go.
Remember back in 2010 when it was proposed issuing a medal for not shooting at the enemy ? It was suppose to be the "Couragoeus Restraint Medal." Getting a medal for not killing the enemy. -> http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/13/military-proposes-medal-for-troops-showing-restraint/ Just to add a little humor to political correctness being shoved up the ass of the military by the loony left.
Bread and water are a form of torture. Everyone deserves at least one box of C-rats per day and as much fresh water as he/she can drink.
Maybe some sort of compromise can be reached with the Liberals: How about adding tofu and broccoli to their diet?
How was the system abused ? The USS Shilo is a cruiser. If it were nave been before when President Clinton over downsized the military the USS Shilo would have a Marine detachment aboard the Shilo who would have been in charge of running the ship's brig. Three days of bread and water would be like Disneyland compared to what spending one hour in a brig run by Marines. The Captain of the Shilo does seem to be going overboard with NJP. But maybe the sailor in question is a shitbird ? Drinking under age !!! When I served anyone who was busted by local LE for drinking under age ...no office hours "standing before the man" an Article 15. In the Marine Corps if you were old enough to be sent to Vietnam, you were old enough to drink. Now missing formation would be an UA (Unauthorized Absence) and you would find yourself standing before the man. Reduction in rank by one grade, forfeiture of 1/2 months pay and no liberty for one month. No brig time.
You have your answer right there. The Commander of the Shiloh was sadistic, incompetent, or both. The Navy should have listened to the sailors under his command earlier and relieved him.
Being locked up in the brig with bread and water sure beats some of the smoke sessions I received for screwing up
Maybe the commander of the USS Shiloh should have joined the Marine Corps ? I remember when sailors use to call all Marines who served aboard as Marine ship detachments or were part of the Marine Barracks on naval installations as all being sadistic. I like many who are old schooled say, bring back the red line brigs and the Army's red line stockades. Red line brigs were declared by Congress during the 1970's as being politically incorrect. Ignoring that red line brigs had a 80% success rate of turning shitbirds into recruiting poster sailors, Marines and soldiers. For some reason, not to many shitbirds are found in the Air Force. They must have higher recruiting standards ? The success rate of todays military brigs and stockades is around 20%. The other 80% are awarded a less than honorable discharge. Can't believe how many Bad Chicken Dinners are handed out today for offenses that forty or fifty years ago that use to just get you 30 days brig time. No more second chances today.
After my brother did his tour of duty in Vietnam the Marine Corps made him a sergeant and gave him the big green weenie, orders to report to the Marine Barracks on GITMO. GITMO was considered the worse duty station in the Marine Corps back in 1970.
A lot of people seem to not understand the bread and water sentence. This is only applicable when a ship is underway. Not when it is tied up in port, or if you are stationed at a Naval base. And yes, it is extreme. Remember, the military justice system is not set up like the civilian one. It is designed to be punishment. Punishment in order to correct the bad actions and prevent them from happening again. And what else are you going to do on a ship at sea? Take away their liberty? Is not like they are going anywhere anyways. Yes, the military today has gone soft. I remember when I was in the 2nd Marine Division in the 1980's. My Battalion Commander loved to give Restriction to Quarters as a punishment. And oh did they mean it. You were removed to a separate room in the barracks that was only for people undergoing that punishment. You turned in your car keys to the Company Gunny, and you had nothing in the room but your bed, a Bible, and any military reading material you wanted (Marines and Leatherneck magazine, TMs, books from the Marine Reading list, etc). Oh, and an alarm clock with no radio. And no civilian clothes, just utilities and official PT clothing. Unless it was during duty hours, you had to stay in that room, no visitors. At chow times an NCO walked you to and from chow, and once a week he would escort you to the PX to get a haircut and any needed toiletry supplies. And the thing is, it worked. I can not think of a single Marine getting punished that way more than once. Fast forward 20 years, and I saw a soldier who was given confinement to the barracks as part of his punishment. I saw him in civies heading to his car and asked where he was going. Seems there was a movie he wanted to see so was going to see it. I checked, and sure enough "confinement" now simply means confined to the base. Sheesh, what kind of punishment is that?