Ban semi-automatics = ban mass shootings?

If someone is willing to commit a mass murder, can't they simply unsecure their guns to take to the mass murder site?

 

Childers Palace

Churchill

Quakers Hill

Rozelle

 

As with V man you have no evidence. Research, basis for a subsitution effect

I am sure many many hoplophiles would like there to be a clear subsitution effect but there is none to be found.

Not one of the incidents quoted can be proven to have happened or not not have happened if the gun restrictions were not in place

 

I never made a claim of substitution. You Freudian slipped that in all on your own.

The fact remains, you had zero arson mass killings before 2000, and at least four after. Not including terrorists burning down mosques and stuff.

Do you see a combustible turn in in Australia's future perhaps?

 

Oh, the irony.

Anyone in Oz or NZ who can get a bolt-action hunting rifle can get an AR15.

Why do you refuse to understand that correlation does not equal causation?

 

I like how there are no links.

 

Why do you refuse to understand that correlation does not equal causation?

 

I love history.

And I love when old guys share their knowledge of it with us younger old guys!

 

I always draw the distinction between a rifle and a carbine at 20 inches.

Less than 20 is a carbine.

More than 20 is a rifle.

 

The definition of a carbine has evolved over the decades going back to the 1800's.

Germany's first carbine was the Kar-98 Mauser when Germany took its Gewehr-98 service rifle and cut off 6" off its 29"barrel. The Karbiner -98 was born. Most armies would soon follow suit.

During WW ll with the introduction of the M-1 carbine with its 18" barrel the Kar-98's, 03-Springfields and other infantry service rifles with 22" to 24" barrels no longer seem to be carbines.

In 1973 the U.S. Army adopted the 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor as its service rifle that had a 32 5/8" barrel. That was the rifle issued to the infantry. But the U.S.Cavalry was issued the 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor carbine which most of us are familiar with watching Hollywood westerns. It had a 22" barrel.



Served as the standard U.S. Army service rifle from 1873 to 1892.

Some where between 20" to 18" barrel length it becomes a carbine today. That could change in the future.

 

The Winchester 1894 was probably the first American carbine. It was exactly 20 inches.

The M-1 Carbine was clearly the most famous American carbine and it was 18 inches.

 

I was thinking of those Henry's and Winchester lever action rifles, true carbines during the days. Even today they are still carbines.

 

As opposed to basic laws against committing the act of murder?

 

....honest citizens, providing proper security for themselves and their families.....

 

Nope.

 

The very first Armalite 15 model was born and named the AR-15 by the manufacturer.
The uniformed mistakenly think that the AR stands for assault rifle.
If the anti gun folks want to argue that it is an assault rifle, that is another conversation, but the AR has always meant Armalite.

 

Well, they used machine guns chambered in .303. The Hawker Hurricane used Browning built machine guns and the Supermarine Spitfire used Vickers in the .303. It's a heck of a good round; I have a Pseudo-scout built on an Enfield action that's one of the best, most accurate rifles I've ever owned.

 

And then there's the Bren gun.
.303 was wholly inadequate for air-to-air combat.

 

Perhaps, but I would have loved to see the tracer stream from 12 .303 Brownings.

 

True; You saw it addressed in various ways; a few aircraft from different nations used conventional rifle-caliber machine guns combined with heavy 20mm cannons. The machine guns used tracers so the pilots could establish the lead and then the cannon was meant for the finish. The famous Japanese Zero used two 7.7mm machineguns to complement two 20mm cannon.

The Americans actually did this with the P39 Aircobra had 4 .30-06 caliber machineguns and then a 37mm cannon, plus 2 .50's. The P38 Lightning ran 4 .50's and a 20mm.

Of course, the Americans just liked heavy firepower anyway. We tended to run .50 caliber Browning M2 machineguns in most of our aircraft, generally 3 per wing; though the P47 Thunderbolt used 4 per wing; we began to use more 20mm cannons as the war progressed. By the end of the war we were fielding aircraft like the F4U-4B Corsair, with 4 20mm cannon in place of the .50's.

 

I would say, the plane and the skill of the pilot were the determining factors innair combat. The .303 brought down a lot of axis planes. However, it was certainly out classed by the .50, one of the best rounds ever created for combat. Can you imagine using a 5.56 for the same roll?
I liked the Bren. Excellent squad gun for the day.
But, the original point, a bolt action Lee Enfield, in .303, had the potential of matching the victim count in LV, yet the major villain in the LV narrative has become the AR15 (not the whacko) to fill a political objective of demonizing it to build support for banning assault things. But, Texas sort of threw a bit of a wrench into the mix, good guy with an AR vs bad guy with an AR.
The narrative of the AR being the choice for mass killings, portrayed as the mystical mass killing machine choice, as if owning one labels some one a potential mass killer ignore the fact that the AR is one of the most commonly owned rifles in the US; it’s the modern equivalent of the lever action, relatively inexpensive, versatile, and can be set up to take almost any game in America; makes sense it would be used by anyone for any common or criminal use.
Wanna scare a liberal? Pull one of these out to take a few notes,

 

All correct - except it was the F4U-1C and F4U-4C

 

Yep, lots of LEs to be had. I have see some pretty nice sporterized versions; keep considering sporterizing mine. Modern .303 ammo makes it good for most any 30-06 roll. Excellent action. Mine was my GrandDa’s, confiscated by me when I found it’s hiding place when I was young. He never revealed it’s history, but based on the dates carved into the stock, I figured it was his from his time in the IRB during the 1916 Easter Rebellion (not sure if it or he actually saw action).
LEs were still in use in the 60’s and 70’s during the Troubles.

 

Exactly right! Thanks for the clarification.

 

This is my personal SMLE pseudo-scout.