China builds world's fastest wind tunnel to test weapons that could strike US within 14 minutes

Adulation of Trump has turned you into a propaganda junkie.

 

Another lie since you know I think Trump is an idiot and I didn't vote for him.

Now back to you telling everyone how great the People's Republic of China has been for their region of the world.

 

You have not recovered from the reds under your beds McCarthy era.

 

Nuke them now!!

 

Wait a second, wait a second.... you just started a thread discussion on how China is gaining ground on - and in some ways passing - us with regards to the military. If that isn't a cry to spend more, I don't know what is. WTF does any of this have to do with Rumsfeld, ISIS or the Pentagon leading up to 9/11???

 

Many of which operate under the thoughtful facilitation of government, which makes them non-capitalists

 

Never let them take you alive.

 

Another lie. You falsely accuse me of adulating Trump and being a "propaganda junkie", but when I proved you a liar there, you don't apologize, you just tell another lie. Fascinating.

 

LOL. Agreed!

The Chinese show no mercy for anyone in the government's way or doesn't toe the government line. Ask any member of the Falun Gong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/world/asia/28china.html
In the decade since the Chinese government began repressing Falun Gong, a crusade that human rights groups say has led to the imprisonment of tens of thousands of practitioners and claimed at least 2,000 lives, the world’s attention has shifted elsewhere.

The drive against the spiritual group has eliminated its leadership, decimated the ranks of faithful and convinced many Chinese that the group is an “evil cult,” as the government contends. But 10 years on, the war on Falun Gong remains unfinished.

In the past year, as many as 8,000 practitioners have been detained, according to experts on human rights, and at least 100 have died in custody. Among them were Yu Zhou, 42, a popular Beijing musician, and Cao Changling, the 77-year-old vice director of a paper plant in Wuhan, whose bruised body was returned to his family by the police last summer just as China was reveling in the glory of the Olympic Games.

In recent months, scores of practitioners have been given long prison terms, including Zhang Xingwu, a retired physics professor from Shandong Province who last week was sentenced to seven years after the police found Falun Gong literature in his apartment, according to family members.

The continued crackdown highlights the difficulty of eradicating a movement whose adherents stubbornly cling to their beliefs, but it also provides a window into the psyche of an authoritarian government that, despite its far-reaching power, remains deeply insecure.

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Falun Gong

From the outset, the group, which at its peak claimed to have millions of followers around China, insisted that it wanted only legal recognition, not political power. But the country’s top leaders were alarmed by the group’s ability to attract a devoted following from so many citizens — from retired functionaries to pimple-faced college students.

The decision to ban the group entirely was made after 10,000 Falun Gong adherents staged a silent protest outside the gates of Zhongnanhai, the Communist Party’s leadership compound in Beijing, to complain about reports in the state-run media that the group said were defamatory. Security forces apparently had no advance knowledge of the demonstration, which took place on April 25, 1999, and they began treating the group as a threat to national security.

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On Oct. 1, 2000, the police detained a Falun Gong protester in Beijing. Now, some practitioners are represented by lawyers. CreditChien-min Chung/Associated Press
“Even a soccer team with an organization like Falun Gong might have produced the same reaction,” said T. Kumar, the Asia advocacy directorfor Amnesty International.

Although the propaganda juggernaut has eased in recent years, Falun Gong remains a toxic subject in China. Few academics will speak about it on the record, and the Internet is scoured clean of information that might be construed as sympathetic to Falun Gong, an amalgam of Buddhism, mysticism and qigong, the traditional exercise regimen that remains broadly popular here.

For the Falun Gong devotees who practice in secret, the only glimmer of hope has come from a small but growing number of lawyers who have dared to take on their cases. Even if the legal efforts have mostly come to naught, until recently Falun Gong detainees were denied even the right to a lawyer.

Last week, Jiang Yu, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, reiterated the government’s long-held stance that Falun Gong warrants suppression because it emphasizes meditation and the paranormal over modern medicine. “The Falun Gong cult violates human rights by controlling people’s minds,” he said in response to a reporter’s query.

Among experts based outside the country, there is broad consensus that the government’s efforts have not done much to advance its own interests, at least internationally, where it has been dogged by allegations that it uses torture to crush believers into submission.

‘The excesses and the savagery have really lowered the quality of the government and harmed its reputation abroad,” said Jerome Cohen, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and an expert on Chinese law. “They’re paying a high price for the cruelty to these people.”

According to Falun Gong followers and Chinese lawyers who take on their cases, that cruelty continues unabated.

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Yu Zhou, 42, of Beijing, was arrested last year and was found to be carrying Falun Gong materials. He died in police custody.CreditDu Bin for The New York Times
Among those swept up in the purge were Yu Zhou, the musician, and his wife, Xu Na. They were stopped for speeding in January 2008, according to their lawyer. After the police found Falun Gong materials in their car, both were detained. Ten days later, Mr. Yu’s sister was told that he was gravely ill, the result, she was told, of a hunger strike complicated by diabetes. His sister, Yu Qun, says her brother did not have diabetes. She contends that he died at the hands of his captors.

The family’s efforts to investigate Mr. Yu’s death have been thwarted by the police and prosecutors, who refuse to allow an autopsy or even issue a death certificate.

Ms. Xu, who is a well-known poet and painter, was given a three-year term.

“I don’t understand why this happened to them because they didn’t do anything to break the law and they weren’t promoting the group,” Ms. Yu said.

According to former detainees and human rights organizations, Falun Gong detainees are frequently subjected to harrowing abuse, particularly those who refuse to swear off their faith. Bu Dongwei, 41, a longtime adherent who spent three years in a labor camp, said he was forced to share a room with about 30 people, most of them petty thieves and drug addicts who were encouraged to abuse the Falun Gong detainees.

Mr. Bu, a trained geneticist, left China in December and now lives in Los Angeles.

While the group’s initial goals were official legitimacy and an end to persecution, the ceaseless campaign against them has radicalized many adherents, especially those living outside China. In cities around the world, Falun Gong devotees — and their offbeat re-enactments of torture and gory visual aids — have become a common sight. The group has dedicated itself to the demise of the Communist Party, which has complicated the lives of adherents inside China.

Falun Dafa, the organization that oversees the movement from its headquarters in New York, is led by Li Hongzhi, a former grain clerk who began spreading his mystical brand of qigong in 1992 but fled China before the crackdown began. Once known for charismatic preaching, he has spent much of the past decade living a reclusive life in Queens.

David Ownby, the author of “Falun Gong and the Future of China,” said that Mr. Li and his followers may have made a tactical mistake by massing in Beijing, but that the Communist Party erred by interpreting their actions as a threat to its rule.

“If either side had played their cards more intelligently, Falun Gong could have been co-opted by the government,” said Mr. Ownby, who is a professor of East Asian studies at the University of Montreal. He added, “This horrific loss of life could have been avoided.”

 

How stupid is it that right wingers spent eight years yelling about Solyndra, when the reason it collapsed was that the Chinese flooded the market with cheap panels? I pointed this out many many times over that period, but you can't' deflect the average talk radio right winger from their assigned memes. Facts do NOT matter.

You clearly don't know anything about the history of the commercial aviation business if you're going to make the incorrect assertion you made.

For most of the first decade and a half of commercial air line service, the carriers survived on the revenue from Air Mail contracts, which were very generous subsidies. Indeed, many carriers carried no passengers at all in the early years. It wasn't until the late 1930's that the aviation industry finally produced a plane that could be operated at a profit just by carrying passengers. Even then the fare was regulated by the CAB.

 

Not all of them, not by a long shot

You sound as smug as a frenchman in 1900 looking down on the upstsrt Americans

 

This is not a serious comment

 

Actually, Chinese engineers are building railroads across the Silk Road, a mega container port in Jibuti (sic), and oil infrastructure all over the world. China has been moving agressively for over a decade to build its presence as a commercial powerhouse throughout the world's fastest growing regions, and to secure access to raw materials for its domestic industries.

And Trump's stupidity makes their job all that easier.

 

No one said china didnt flood the market

But stupid liberal environentalists were so eager to save the plant they gave money to consumers
to buy the cheap chinese panels for their homes

Maybe if trump had been president and we had smarter trade policies at the time that would not have happened

 

The chinese are very ambitious

It is liberals here who seem to think they are not a threat to our position in the world

And they graduate all the engineers they need in every field of engineering required

 

Well, since Trump went out of his way to declare that the US was quitting Asia economically, the Chinese One Belt, One Road is the only choice.

 

I don't' think that there are too many liberals who do not see China as a significant geopolitical threat.

However, it was the Trump Adminstration that gave then their greatest victory, and asked nothing in return for it, either.

 

Actually the china threat got its biggest boost from bill clinton in tha 1990s by giving the free access to our market

Trump is in a tough spot because of north korea and hopfully any concessions he made to china will pay off in north korea

After all liberals want to avoid a nuclear war, dont they?

 

You a delusional Tom

Trump is not pulling out of Asia

 

One of these days I want to see your Hillary merchandise collection.

I bet you don't have one of these, haha.

 

If he doesent here’s where to get one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112500...3D711-213727-13078-0%26rvr_id%3D1368653024621

 

China was going to get there with or without Most Favored Nation Status.
But Trump handed them a big gift by repudiating the TPP. China had been vigorously opposed to the TPP. They saw it (correctly) as an attempt by south east Asian nations and the Indian subcontinent to band together with the Americans to build a trade network that would lock China out.

Trump quit without even putting up a fight.

 

Trump quit the TPP, giving China the biggest commercial and geopolitical victory in a decade. And all without even bother to ask for anything in return.

Trump's quitting the trade discussions in Asia left our allies in the region with two choices. Cobble together a weakened TPP, or deal with China on China's terms.

Champagne corks popped in Beijing over the victory.

And the Chinese didn't even have to try. Trump gave it away without even bothering to try and get anything in return.

And China gave him nothing last week either, other than pandering to his childish vanity with a pageant.

 

When any culture in the world come anywhere near to matching us then get back to me in the meantime worrying about China or Japan or whoever is pointless waste of time.

It not China who design and build the internet that you are now using to express your groundless fears of that nation for that matter.

 

They will get there mch faster with MFN than without

As for TPP we can make a better deal that does not surrender US sovergnity the way obama wanted