Why there the second amendment is a farce believed by fools

It's a fairly short light calibre but high velocity variable fire automatic/semi automatic weapon based on either the AK-47 or the Stoner Rifle (M-16) meant for military use but having several civilian versions.

Or Roy Moore's current automobile

 

No AR15 or semi auto AK-47 was meant for any military usefulness

 

Like we've been doing for the past 16 years

You guys are big Bible readers, what is it that "...goeth before a fall?" again

 

Great line, my friend.

Good stuff from A.U., as usual.

 

Yeh, i said civilian versions, which are really not designed for anything; hunting, military, robbing 7-11's, nothing whatsoever, they LOOK dangerous as all get out but they're the classic example of neither fish nor fowl

 

Thankee, I know humor is a dangerous presumption for the talentless but I just can't help myself on occasion, and it's nice to know at least one person smiled instead of sneered.

 

You're very welcome, my friend.

I always respect your insight.

 

This is one strange thread.

 

lol...says the guy afraid of ghosts, churches and guns. My guns are never going anywhere...ever. When my hands are cold and dead my relatives will get my guns and they will feel free to keep them or sell them and so will each generation after that.
Seen any paranormal activity in any churches lately?

 

It says that because the ability to raise a well-regulated (proper) militia will occasionally become necessary, the people must not ever be disarmed.

 

factually incorrect to anyone with remedial statistical math skills. There are millions of gun owners in the U.S. There is no weapon in the U.S. military posession that can stop that many armed people. If you think so, you probably failed history too.

 

exactly, it really doesnt need to go any further than we have the right to keep and bear arms. It says so in black and white. They can parse the reasoning all they want but in the end we still have the right.

 

Another liberal thread trashing our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

This gets tiring.

 

So to be clear, they are not assault weapons, as they were not designed for any military use ?

 

Government has removed and can remove any right of its choosing, including your right to life.
The government is big and powerful. So what ? Did you just wake up and decide you were smart for figuring this out ?

 

No, the automatics were designed for military use, but the semi-automatics were not. The problem is the semiautos weren't designed for anything else either. They're not heavy enough for elk or even deer (although they are used for both and the AK-47 is a standard 30 calliber, or 7.62 mm)
and they're not accurate enough for targets, (although they are used for that too.)

The thing is that the failings are so small that no one but an expert in the field is really going to notice them all that much and they can be made up for in other ways. Many designated snipers, frex, use the M16 exclusively, although specialized sniper weapons are available. It's accuracy can be improved by knowing the individual gun's quirks and/or loading your own ammo's powder, both of which are not uncommon practices for snipers, and they get to use a weapon they are familiar with that is light and easy to carry

 

Wrong Alex, you can get Browning BAR in 300 Win and 338. The Remingtons were made up to 35 Whelen. The 270 and 30.06 are plenty for elk. And Alex, you're way out of your league here when writing about tactical/ match rifles.

 

The ammosexuals are intentionally trying to cloud this issue by arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Let's make it simple. Ban semi-auto magazine fed weapons.. That really simplifies the matter and ends the (intentional) confusion.

Semi-auto weapons WERE created for military use and have no actual civilian use. They are not good hunting weapons and mechanically operated (lever/bolt/slide) can both serve as exceptional self defense weapons AND are superior hunting weapons

Problem solved

 

The second amendment is no ruse. It was designed to allow for marksmanship as a hobby and thus give us a large pool of potential recruits familiar with the main weaponry of the day. And it did that up until the ACW and even into WWI and WWII if we allow that it was the individual soldier we are referring to. The Founding Fathers were very much against the idea of a large standing Army, since the depredations of one imposed on us by the Home Island was a major cause of the American Revolution, and the idea that one was necessary took over a century and a truly huge Civil War to gain acceptance. The FF wanted us to be defended by a small and elite force of professional officers who could rapidly be supplemented by thousands of likely recruits if we were ever invaded.

The supposition that the 2nd Amendment was designed so that the people of the US could be always ready to engage in armed revolution against their own government is patently absurd on its face. The very idea that you would have any specific government institution so that your citizens could more easily murder you if they didn't like what you did, let alone that this would be seen as an individual right with no mechanism whatsoever for preventing any disgruntled person from just going out and killing any person he happens to believe is betraying the country, is too obviously silly to deserve any rational consideration. The only reason this insanity is not given the short shrift it so well deserves is that the NRA has used it as a propaganda tool to promote gun sales for the last 50 years and people have come to accept it from pure repetition.

 

The last part of the above post is the most accurate. Between wars the arms industry fell on hard times. Many weapons manufacturers went out of business. By promoting this gun culture the arms industry has guaranteed steady profits when there are no wars...

Unfortunately their product is a deadly product

 

You're not serious are you? Ever hear of the Winchester model 1903 and 1905 or the more famous Remington 8? Semi-auto hunting rifles were in production for years before military use.

 

Its OK calm down, no one here are going to take you’re toys away and words are just words and yours are such fun to read. Did I tell you of the time I strangled a man eating tiger with my bare hands? Never mind its all in my best seller, I’ll send you copy for Christmas.

 

I am calm. No thanks on the book. I dont read trash.

 

I'd like to agree but I can't. Few hunters are really competent enough to reliably kill every animal they try to with one shot, to hit every fleeing animal more than once with a bolt action or to track an animal that has gotten away. Failing somehow making all hunters more competent, (an impossibility) or prohibiting hunting entirely (my solution, but very unlikely to gain widespread support) you are going to have to accept condemning thousands of animals to a cruel and painful death or accepting semiauto rates of fire.

The way to obviate this is to make the magazines smaller. Very few people who can shoot a gun at all need more than 5 shots to kill something. That would be easier than prohibiting all semi-autos too

Or maybe allow just lever actions. Problem there is that I've been told that lever actions are really a lot more difficult than the movies make them look in many ways, even more so than bolts.

 

The only thing I said about tactical/match rifles is that the elite military sniper can make up for just about any differences there are between just about any of them for general purposes. He won't be making 2000 yard shots or targeting tanks with an M-16 but he can make do in most cases and he won't have to exhaust himself carrying it either.

I've read somewhere that the 30 to 350 calibers are acceptable even for classic Big Game. I pointed out that the .30 caliber AK is certainly sufficient for medium sized animals. The M16 is generally a .223 or .222 . These calibers are meant to hunt varmints, not deer or elk BUT their major military use IS to target human beings. Military ammunition is not the same as sporting applications

What does BAR stand for here? Surely not the Browning Automatic Rifle. My understanding was they didn't even make them anymore and they hadn't been used by civilians since Clyde Barrow.