ISIS Driven out of Raqqua

Saudi Arabia is allowed too much freedom in destruction and isolation of Yemen. They are virtually unchecked.

 

Saudi Arabia has a border with Yemen, that's why they can operate with little restraint.

 

Yemen has a long history of turmoil.. The issue at this point is to keep the various terrorist organizations from getting into KSA.

 

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Yes.. I was in Asir in 2000. The terrain is something else. Jagged young mountains 6,000 feet.

At that time the Saudis had beefed up border security and moved the people who lived in the hanging gardens of Habla back from the border 20 kilometers.

 

Yemen is fairly remote, quite poor and a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism. Iran has an interest in promoting extremism in this location to threaten their regional power rival Saudi Arabia, they've been at this for about a decade and now there are factions for different tribal and religious groups battling each other, no actual government, plus roving terrorist groups.

 

You may be one of the few people on the board who realizes that.

 

They may as well be killed there as anywhere else. You're all for killing these rapists/murders, aren't you Margo2?

 

Of course.. I just feel sorry for the Yemenis.

 

I disagree with this notion the Yemenis are such victims, some of them are Houthis, one of tribes securing Iranian support and attacking Saudis, these Yemenis would reasonably be targeted by Saudis and others. Even women and children could reasonably be targeted if one sensibly interpreted their existence constantly surrounding roving bands of tribal fighting groups as the acceptance of a risk they could be hurt.

Westerners are accustomed to a greater separation between civilians and the military, their military are on enclosed bases away from cities and towns, not usually found on duty mingling with civilians. Elsewhere it appears the military is often surrounded by civilians, they are downtown and in every village, the soldiers' wives and children are camp-followers. In Yemen there are a variety of militias associated by ethnicity, location and faith, their structure and chain of command unclear, they may merge or fracture, surge or be decimated, the civilians they are surrounded with naturally suffer the same fate.

 

They are victims of their own ignorance, an ignorance encouraged by the government, such as it is, and religious leaders. The riots in Yemen are beginning to resemble those in many western European capitals.

 

You make a good point. In Yemen they have Houthis, Al Qaeda. ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shaabab and a few Somali pirates. To me that seems quite hopeless

 

They are not the same though you try incessantly to blurb them into one.

The US does not accept the Houthis as terrorists nor did it find any link between them and Iran

https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/225085

The Houthis accept anyone and though initially formed by Zaidi a sort of subset of Shia, Sunnis who they are known to share mosques with are among their ranks. They are not considered a terrorist group by the US/UK etc but are of course by the Sauds because of their relationship to Shia and their paranoia about Iran and desire to lead the Muslims of the world which they see Iran as a competitor for and hence you are going all out to turn the West against them and to support the Sauds current genocide attempt against the North. Clearly all the other genuine terrorist groups you mentioned want them all dead as well as everyne else who is not an extremist like them. Non extremist sunni yemens stick with the Houthis - at least those who can do.

Congress voted overwhemingly just over a week ago stating that the US's compliance with the Sauds against the people of Yemen is not legal.

 

Of course the Houthis, boko haram, ISIS, AQ and al Shaabab are not the same, but they are all a source of conflict in Yemen... They aren't going to allow any government to work.

Those drooling simians in Congress don't know anything about Yemen..

How could Iran lead the Muslim world? Really? They are a minority of about 13-13% of all Muslims.

What do you think of the training camp ISIS has set up out side Sa'na?

 

Drat I had almost finished this before it dissappeared.

Indeed the Houthi belong to Yemen and have among them Sunni and Zaidi. They have no problems with Sunnis. Indeed they are known to share Mosques. Sunni and Shia divide was not part of Yemen. Al Qaeda however hailed from Saudi Arabia. Al Jazeera was thinking about the problem this gave to the US when the civil war broke out. Who would it support.
This is 2015

so well done Margo, the Sauds have brought sectarianism to Yemen

What Government? Oh you mean the invading Sauds. Used to be you said the Saudi invasion was legal because of Hadi but you can't say that now that he has outed the Sauds as invaders can you.

again

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...e-aims-yemen-war-shifted-171108080509650.html

and why are you not mentioning Saleh and the Yemen Army who the Sauds are also fighting and of course the Yemen Republican Guards who the Sauds also also fighting, Is it because it looks like the Sauds now they have got fed up with Hadi are thinking of tryig to impose Saleh on the people of Yemen again as has been suggested was their reason for making sure someone whose men are fighting against the Sauds gets top medical treatment.

Your disgust of the country you claim to be a citizen of is fascinating. However I do appreciate that you believe no one knows anything about anywhere where the Sauds are involved except yourself. As stated above the US complicity against the North is not legal. The US is fighting on the wrong side in this one though it would be better to just stay out.

Here you are betraying your sectarian childhood in Saudi Arabia but they are the people to ask as they are the people terrified of Iran. Mind you I was reading something yesterday which was saying that the Sauds betrayal of the Palestinians may make that fear become a reality. Who did Muslims love after the 2006 Israel attack on Lebanon. Yes, Nasrallah. It made no difference whether they were Sunni or Shia. That sure scared the Sauds. Better get some more sectarianism going. Oh look there is Syria

I was wondering when you would come up with this Margot. I hate ISIS. They are even worse that Alqaeda. I did notice how tickled you were to find they had found an area in the North. It is perfectly clear from above that if the Houthis could have done anything they would be gone.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politics/us-isis-training-camp-strike-yemen/index.html

 

Im no legal expert but "Not binding" and "Unautherised" doesnt mean ilegal, one might suggest they simply dont want to be dragged into another ME war, not the the Houthis are innocent or not related to Iran or that Iran has no dominance plans of it sown to the area.

 

OK without going and search the exact thing. The have a right to be carrying on in the ME against al Qaeda types but they do not have the right to be assisting the fight against the people in Yemen which they are doing. They need to go back to congress to get approval for that.

 

Sorry to barge in, just a minor correction here, Lebanon attacked Israel in 2006 by kidnapping its soldiers....
Many thx,
Carry on...

 

You attacked Lebanon. Lebanon did not attack Israel. It was not your usual protocol to do more than a couple of bombings after the kidnapping of a soldier. Instead you decided to try out you new strategy of giving overwhelming force destroying people and infrastructure. I had a friend on the net. She was French, Christian Lebanese and a war photographer. She said that you told the people to move out because you were going to bomb and then you bloody bombed them when they were trying to get out. People say Lebanon won that war. Israel lost Lebanon. In your occupation you lost the support of the Shia bringing Hezbollah into being. In 2006 you lost the support of the Christians, something which no one could believe was possible. recently I was reading how Israelis could not believe it when they were being told that next time they would be slaughtering the Lebanese army as well as Hezbollah. You can't keep friends. Killing them puts survivors off.

 

Many appolegies again but by attacking our soldiers at the border they did in fact attack us first, that we attacked them then on with "overwhelming force" is debatable and still means they attacked us first.

 

We will have to stop this as it is off topic. You went against your protocol of reaction to the kidnap of a soldier. You attacked. You tried out your Dahiya doctrine causing maximum destruction and not caring about the laws of war re things like care of civilians. Unfortunately you have been doing the same ever since...actually getting incrementally worse.

Now I am not sure I have the time and interest to talk that war again but if you want to talk more a different thread is where we should do it. We disagree. Probably nuff said.

 

Protocols don't mean a great deal so it's unwise to rely on them when attacking and kidnapping members of any military force anywhere.

This Doctrine is something to be taken into serious consideration whenever attacking a foreign force. To rely on a limited non-response is foolhardy.

 

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Alexa: In KSA Sunni and Shia sometimes attend each other's mosques. Your accusation about my "sectarian childhood" is not only stupid but its also insulting.. I lived in the Eastern province .

The Houthis are Shia that most closely resemble Sunnis. They are a minority in Yemen as just Shia are a minority world wide. They have overthrown the government.

You are VERY long winded and insulting. ISIS has been in Yemen for months .. I did not know they had set up a training camp .... and I am certainly NOT "tickled" which makes you a vicious woman in your projections.

 

I make a point of answering what you say with sources if necessary. You ignore them and keep repeating what you have already been shown is not true. If you have something to say I suggest you give a quote. I didn't mean that you fancied the ISIS people Margot. However I did notice that you said how much you appreciated someone giving a link to the story on that. Given that I had been speaking about how Al Qaeda were fighting on the same side as the Saudis what I worked out was what you thought was such a good link was the reality that the area it was in was just in the North. I expected you to try and gloat about that so when I saw you bring it up I thought that was all that you were on about. You clearly think of saying someone is 'tickled' as something different to me. . Enjoy your vicious projections of me Margot. I am sorry you react in this way when your arguments are defeated which has been the case.