Turkey Will Attack US Kurds In One Week If They Don't Withdraw

Yes, I suspect you may be right. Tillerson was soft-peddling the reality. The Turkish Foreign Minister is unconvinced by Tillerson's statement anyway, as reported by RT:

https://www.rt.com/news/416256-turkey-criticize-us-syria/

 

I assume that by you posting this map that you are now prepared to agree with my previous statements that the Kurdish forces now occupy between a 1/4 and 1/3 of Syria?

 

Continuing the confusion. Or is it double-talk?

https://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-c...yd-elements-in-syrias-afrin-pentagon-says/amp

 

In lavender, yes.

 

The Saudis only became seriously Wahhabi in 1979 and now they are forsaking it all together.

The Saudis don't want Sharia law in Syria, they want to stop the ethnic cleansing of Sunnis.

 

LOL...Hey, I could have said 'I told you so'.



Despite our differences on this subject, I have great respect for your opinions overall.

 

Well no the US have always told the Kurds to move east of the Euphrates or risk losing US support

August 2016
US VP: YPG must retreat east of Euphrates or lose US support
http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/240820163

Aug 2016
U.S. tells Turkey Syrian Kurdish YPG moving back to east of Euphrates: sources
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa/u-s-tells-turkey-syrian-kurdish-ypg-moving-back-to-east-of-euphrates-sources-idUSKCN1100LF?il=0

 

The latest from MoA:

My italics
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/0...ation-goals-erdogan-makes-empty-threats-.html

 

I feel sorry for the Kurds because it seems they are entitled to some sort of homeland. And the pragmatic view is that they had to align with somebody, and the US was the only game in town.

Their alignment with the US may be the fatal flaw in their game.

 

Who should the Kurds have aligned with?

 

Yes, there is the sense that they're being used and when that's no longer of use they'll be left to their fate. It happened before as I recall.

 

By forcing non Sunnis to convert or be beheaded.

 

What crap. 13% of Saudis are Shia and they are very strong in the oil business and among the merchant class.

You are a victim of Sputnik and Russia Today....

 

I don't find the OP to be untrue. It makes sense. The plan in the beginning years ago was via Saudi headchopper support shipped in ( pretending to be rebels) with our almost purely financial support clandestinely after using the Arab Spring as an excuse to topple Assad to chop up Syria divvy up its resources.

Russia went in openly supporting Assad and he has been able to all but secure his country at this point.... The US my silly country ended up with egg on its face but we don't give up... We still want control either directly or indirectly of the those resources.... So.. We openly invaded Syria under the pretext we were after ISIS and now that we can't use that excuse we are using our support of the Kurds as an excuse to continue to be there.

There's countless threads and information available supporting my simplified above opinion in great detail.

The forums pet KSA propagandist can try and derail this thread all they want. Doesnt change the facts.

I like the Kurds, admire them actually but they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They need to hide honestly. They can not face Turkey even with our support in conventional combat. Would be a slaughter.

So I would like for Erdogan to push. He's a fascist maniac but I'd like for him to make a deal with Assad and push us out with the understanding that he won' t try and take any of N Syria for himself. Has to be done delicately but I think possible.

 

Divvy up Syria? LOLOL.. Why? Syria has NOTHING.. Its a failed state with no resources to sustain its self or recover from the civil war.

Syria is about ethnic cleansing.. The Syrian people don't want Assad or Sharia law.

 

The war has started:

The Turkish attack on Kurdish held Afrin started, as Russian personnel withdraw. Officially it was to begin at 20:00 local time, but Turkey has already bombarded YPG positions with 12 airstrikes.

What would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic, is that the unity of US supported Free Syrian Army, (which is really Al Nusra in disguise), and the Kurds is non existent. Seems like another propaganda gimmick, to get the gullible to believe there is such a thing as a Syrian opposition, and that they have a legitimate claim to a part of Syria... In reality, Washington's purpose is to carve out a country for the Kurds in Syria's oil and gas rich areas.... And if they can carve another one out for the FSA/Al Queda so they can fight Assad forever, all the better for them.

Below is the FSA/Al Queda as it heads into Turkey to support them in its war with the Kurds. In the meantime Assad will support the Syrian Kurds in what he considers an invasion of Syria by Turkey... while Turkey will try to present the FSA/Al Queda as a legitimate opposition to him, and therefore it is not an invasion.

Now we have to watch to see who Washington will support? I'm betting they'll support both sides, that way the war can go on, and on, and on.

 

The emergence of the Sham Legion, a moderate Islamist rebel group, may be a significant political development because, until its formation, only more conservative and Salafi-oriented brigades had managed to merge into ideologically coherent countrywide alliances.

http://carnegie-mec.org/diwan/55344


In recent months, Syria’s military opposition has witnessed the emergence of many large rebel alliances. Some of the brigades have unified to fight the regime and Islamic extremists by coordinating effectively while others were seeking visibility to showcase their relevance and get foreign funding.

Other rebels have united because of all of the above and, in addition, the ambition to spread a certain kind of ideology to the rest of the country.

The Sham Legion, or Faylaq al-Sham in Arabic, belongs to that last category. Announced on March 10, 2014, it aims to “unify the ranks” of Syria’s moderate Islamists.

It gathers nineteen midsize brigades scattered from Damascus to Aleppo but mainly effective in the areas of Homs, Hama, and Idlib, where in the past month they have participated in major operations like the Khan Sheikhoun, Hesh, Morek, and Babolin battles.

Islamic Front. While that umbrella group has openly called to transform Syria into a Sunni theocracy, leaders of the Sham Legion that we have interviewed insist on “ending injustices by extremist groups,” “promoting democracy,” and “defending religion.”

 

The emergence of the Sham Legion, a moderate Islamist rebel group, may be a significant political development because, until its formation, only more conservative and Salafi-oriented brigades had managed to merge into ideologically coherent countrywide alliances.

http://carnegie-mec.org/diwan/55344


In recent months, Syria’s military opposition has witnessed the emergence of many large rebel alliances. Some of the brigades have unified to fight the regime and Islamic extremists by coordinating effectively while others were seeking visibility to showcase their relevance and get foreign funding.

Other rebels have united because of all of the above and, in addition, the ambition to spread a certain kind of ideology to the rest of the country.

The Sham Legion, or Faylaq al-Sham in Arabic, belongs to that last category. Announced on March 10, 2014, it aims to “unify the ranks” of Syria’s moderate Islamists.

It gathers nineteen midsize brigades scattered from Damascus to Aleppo but mainly effective in the areas of Homs, Hama, and Idlib, where in the past month they have participated in major operations like the Khan Sheikhoun, Hesh, Morek, and Babolin battles.

Islamic Front. While that umbrella group has openly called to transform Syria into a Sunni theocracy, leaders of the Sham Legion that we have interviewed insist on “ending injustices by extremist groups,” “promoting democracy,” and “defending religion.”

 

Your opinion and input once again is bereft of any sanity. The above quote is a mess. That's OK for your opinion to lie, mislead, derail and defend the Saudi Arabian terrorists and their goals till blue in the face I guess. Your opinion has been proven a lie in so many threads I've lost count. Let's do it again...

1. The only racial cleansing that was on the table were Saudi backed headchoppers killing Syrian Christians. Thank any God you want that Assad won purely for their sake.

2. Why put Assad and Sharia law into the same sentence? He's regime has always been religiously moderate. It's the Saudis who detest the Christians and moderate Muslims and your KSA headchopper love boys who beheaded Christians... Not Assad.

It was KSAs ( the royal family) wish to spread strict sharia law to Syria not the other way around...but it failed. It was kinda a bonus but their hero us the US got out played.

3. There's tons of links and sources discussing purely the quite substantial natural resources of Syria.. and who controls what.. Pre war, during and now after. See below :

To the west of the Euphrates, ISIS has lost control of natural gas fields and phosphate mines to the Syrian army and its Russian and Iranian allies; to the east of the river, an alliance of Kurdish forces and local groups fighting under the banner of the Deir Ezzor Military Council has seized a number of oil fields and a large associated gas-processing facility, known as the Conoco plant. For the Syrian government, the main benefit will be increased natural gas production, which will boost electricity supply and decrease the need to import fuel oil. There is also the prospect of reviving phosphate production and exports with Russian assistance.

The Kurds already controlled Syria’s largest oil fields in northeast Hassakeh. Now they control most of the Euphrates basin fields, previously operated by Shell and Total. The Hassakeh fields are likely to be handed eventually to the Syrian Petroleum Company in return for a revenue share with an autonomous or federal Kurdish-controlled entity. In Deir Ezzor, local groups will seek to maintain a stake in the operations of the Conoco plant and fields such as Omar, al-Ward, Jafra and Tanak.

Yeah


https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/co...er-isis-who-controls-syrias-natural-resources

 

There are 40,000 American Christians in KSA and they are doing fine.

Syria's oil fields are small and the quality is only fit for asphalt.

 

Very informative! Thank you!

 

Margo, you have to stop beating that horse you know? It's dead!.

 

Why do you think Putin wants the EU to pay for restoring Syria? Syria has NO resources to pay for their own rebuilding.

The economy of Syria is based on agriculture, oil, industry and services. Its GDP per capita expanded 80% in the 1960s reaching a peak of 336% of total growth during the 1970s. This proved unsustainable for Syria and the economy shrank by 33% during the 1980s.

 

1. Please try and focus. No one is talking about Americans working in KSA that are Christian but rather the indigenous Christians in Syria that have been there for a 1000 years who recently had some of their heads chopped off by KSA planted extremists who were pretending to be rebels in the attempt to overthrow Assad. We talking about those Christians.

2. Wrong again, or rather wrong and a deflection at same time? Syria's crude oil export is modest compared to most but still equated in 2010 to some 25% of the Syrian national budget. There's also about 10 other resources Syria produces or mines including natural gas. Then there's the great trade route options too...

Why exactly would we the US care if there was nothing of value there? We only put this kind of effort and cost in money and lives where we benefit. I think the cost has been too high already.

Anyway bored now. And the OP stands true.

 

The Saudis fund the Sham Legion.. They are moderate Muslims and accept Christians.. You have never been to Syria or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, have you?