The FBI Lost 5 Months Worth of Text Messages Between Anti-Trump Agents .....

Again.....What do you call holding up evidence that could have ended an investigation?

 

There is plenty of evidence to see that the FBI, DOJ, and NSA conspired to 1) influence an election and 2) attempts to discredit a duly elected President. The investigation is now two pronged.
1) the OIG
2) Congressional Committee

What's more telling the Special Counsel into Russian meddling used the very FBI agents involved in the above. Horrible optics, at the very best.

 

Whomp there it is......not to mention removes all credibility from the Mueller Investigation and the FBI.

 

Go ahead and give us a link that Nunes (the Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence) didn't have clearance.

 

Thank you for the response, dDay I really appreciate it. As for the Leftness in America and worldwide, they are Globalists under different names, but under the cloaks you find the same agenda in repetition. Those people really push for State control of everything, from what your children are taught to what is appropriate in the matter of discourse and social interaction(s). They are part of the reason why we live under an ever expanding State that tends to utilize authoritarian manners and implementations as well as enforcements of State rules, regulations and rhetoric. From my personal observation we are currently living in a combination of “A Brave New World”, “1984” and “Animal Farm” sprinkled with quasi-Marxism/Communism and Keynesian economic theorem. The people need State and will always push for greater State influence and controls. We all play out part collectively, even though some of us attempt to stay out of the reach of the Monstrosity.

I truly believe that this is why people like Vladimir Putin, the late Muamar Gadhafi, the late Robert Mugabe and others were and are hated by both the Leftness and The Right; they exhibited and exhibit freedom and offer another way outside of the prescribed plan of action that we are supposed to follow like obedient children.

 

They can't.....and all these diversions, deflections and Denials of reality are just that. As if the shoe was on the other foot and Demos came up with evidence. They would be screaming at the sky.

Oh wait.

 

Do you even understand that this was an ACTIVE investigation ?

I guess you should ask Bush and Cheney about the validity of refusing a subpeona......

Them not liking Trump doesn't allow them to create/destroy/change facts. The facts will either prove or clear those being investigated. Its simple facts that bias cannot change. Why is that so hard to grasp.

 

how could it "end" an investigation.

Politicians are not investigators. To allow that to happen in a criminal proceeding is laughable.

 

Do you understand and comprehend that rules, protocols and laws have been violated by these people?

Looks like that bias can make sure Transparency to the American people.....can be throw Right out the window.

 

Because if there is no evidence to proceed with an investigation....then the investigation comes to an end. Then Hillary and the Democrats excuses for losing an election. Are shown in the limelight as nothing more than false allegations and lies.

 

Optics yes. Thats whats being exploited by the right currently, and why I truly believe that Mueller let him was the optics. Nothing more, nothing less.

You have Nunes creating a memo that challenges the OIG. But that accusation is nothing more than that right now.

The congressional committees are nothing more than political gamesmanship. I would say the same if they were democrats. Congressional committees are nothing more than politicians pushing their case for the court of public opinion

 

I want the memo declassified and released. And I want every member of Congress to see the "unredacted" evidence it that it was based on. Then we will know if there is fire from the smoke. If the accusations are true. mass firings and some need to go to jail.

 

My apologies, it wasn't clearance, it was access to them as an ongoing investigation:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/rod-rosenstein-house-intel-russia/index.html

 

This does seem to be the case, just as these public hearings before congress always turn into partisan theater. For the rubes.

 

The state is a necessary evil, and every kind of state structure is in effect a petri dish for the growth of a ruling political class and ultimately tyranny. Efforts to check and balance the evolution of the state toward totalitarianism have not been very successful.

Mechanisms to encourage citizens to devour parts of the state structure through a democratic process might work better, but there would be fierce opposition to that kind of approach across the spectrtum.

 

Wait a sec............I thought we were discussing Nunes going to view the documents last year? the same docs that Schiff then viewed, the same docs that the White House invited all Democrat committee members to then view. Democrats had a fit that he informed the President of what he found so Nunes stepped away until he was cleared of any wrongdoing.

Your CNN link makes the claim that Nunes requested outstanding documents and witness requests related to the Russia investigation in early Jan. This is why CNN is such a joke, seven paragraphs down we find that the Ryan meeting centered on Nunes' outstanding document requests related to the dossier and his ongoing threats of contempt of Congress citations -- not the special counsel investigation led by former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

 

Indeed the resistance to the limitation, thwarting and eradication of state power has been and will continually be met with resistance, either through overt opposition and/or covert opposition from the State and its many apparatuses such as the Mainstream and certain media vehicles that purport themselves as independence or non-State. There is also the reality of NGOs such as The Red Cross, ACLU, and many NGOs. I want you to know that I am a Man who is extremely distrustful of the intentions of the many local, state and national government institutions in country. As far as I am concerned, the FBI emails scandal, the Clinton email and wireless devices scandal, the ongoing attempts to oust a sitting president coming from media and certain aspects of the national political machinery and then the ongoing issue of Sanctuary states, cities, counties and towns all are contributory factors of my distrust. Of course it goes beyond the topics that I have listed.

 

I dont know where you on the think we just investigate citizens to try and find a crime especially when you cant even citea premise of a crime.

It was always about Trump and first how to stop his candidacy and then his Presidency. And your two points have no basis in facts or evidence

Have you not even read tne text messages? There was nothing there from the getgo according to the Deputy Director of the FBI Counterintelligence division.

 

They can most certainly slant evidence, withhold evidence present false facts and even if they dont have evieence kf a crime create perjury traps as we have already seen.

Just look at the Valerie Plame fiasco.

 

"Voters think a special prosecutor is needed to see if the nation’s top cops have been playing politics.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters believe a special prosecutor should be named to investigate whether senior FBI officials handled the investigation of Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump in a legal and unbiased fashion. Thirty-one percent (31%) disagree, but a sizable 19% are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Sixty-two percent (62%) of Republicans are calling for an outside prosecutor to investigate the FBI, as is a plurality (49%) of voters not affiliated with either major political party. Among Democrats, 38% favor a special prosecutor; 40% are opposed, but 22% are undecided."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...all_for_special_prosecutor_to_investigate_fbi

Momentum is building faster and furiously. It's too much man, let it all hang out.

 

So you are not familiar with congresional oversight.

Tell me would we know about this high level corruption at the DOJ and the FBI were it not for Congressional oversight? Would we know about Hillary Clinton's shadow server and her attempts to cover up her and her staffs acts and their endangering our national security?

 

A super majority of Americans have been very afraid of Big Government for many years.

“In addition, intelligence routinely resorts to lying, deception, plausible denial, and related arts to escape detection, or, on higher levels, responsibility. Hoover's right-hand man, Cartha DeLoach, thus falsely assured Attorney General Nicholas de B. Katzenbach that the bureau tapes of Martin Luther King, wiretaps which he had offered to play for a Newsweek reporter, were made by a Georgia police unit and not by the FBI. Director Hoover frustrated Attorney General Francis Biddle’s order in 1943 to terminate a detention list merely by changing its name. Richard Helms lied to a Senate committee about CIA involvement in the “de-stabilizing” the Allende regime in Chile as well as its role in attacking domestic dissidents. Director Hoover regularly understated in Congressional testimony the number of electronic surveillances maintained during the previous year by excluding figures relating to microphone surveillances and by shutting down some of the wiretap installations on the eve of his testimony, only to resume them later. In 1966, the bureau prepared a statement for the use of Senator Long of Missouri he knew to be false and misleading. Neither Attorneys General nor Presidents were ever informed about the massive COINTELPROS or the bureaus involvement in mail openings and the electronic monitoring of international communications. That Directors deception and circumvention of the 16 Attorneys General under whom he served— or, as the witticism has it, who “served under him”— we're routine: whenever he sensed a possible adverse repercussion, Hoover covered himself through the use of cryptic language in a memorandum and continued on his way. Bureau officials not only denied access to files to congressionally authorized General Accounting Office investigators but attempted to sabotage the investigation through secret instructions to field agents.” The Age of Surveillance, The Aims and Methods of America's Political intelligence System, Frank J. Donner, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York, 1980, PP. 24, 25.

Much of the Lfet seems to have forgotten what it learned - the hard way.

 

50,000 text messages. There was a time when the world stopped spinning over 18 minutes of missing tape.

 

Dday,

I really like holding conversation with you, not only because you seem to be well informed but because as American citizens and Denizens we should be having these types of conversation so that we can safeguard ourselves from falling prey to smooth-talking weasels who only seek to maintain the Police-State apparatuses that control just about every aspect of life of those who are inn country.

For decades, I have gradually become aware of the levels of deceptions that both political and economic classes employ in this country. Yet, there are many whom, because I am pro-Putin and pro-Russkiye, like to attempt to play juvenile name-calling games, meanwhile, those in this country do not have room to mention ill about foreign leaders, when the country has been ruled by foreign agents since Woodrow Wilson's presidency and most likely even before that era.

 

Did I hear you say, WATERGATE? That incident caused a president to resign and many in his cabinet and administration to spend time in federal hoosegow. Meanwhile, Lady Hellary has missing emails, communicated on non-secure lines, used private email servers, and the same FBI that investigated her CRIMES suddenly "cannot find" emails discussing how and why a sitting president who has done nothing illegal, should be impeached or otherwise drummed out of office. To me, this is treasonous, then again, who in the F am I to say such things?