USSA (command economy)?

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Could (Soviet style) Socialism work in the U.S.?

  1. No, no way

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  2. Probably not

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  3. Yes, in certain conditions - martial law, war, natural disasters, etc

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  4. Probably yes

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  5. Yes, this is the future of civilization. Bring it on!

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  6. I don't know

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  7. Other

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    If this is true, the current Revolutionary Class would be the computer programmers who have replaced the Working Class which failed in their historic mission.

    Unfortunately for the Marxists, the Ruling Class treats computer programmers fairly well, so they have little incentive to seize the means of production.
     
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  2. GoogleMurrayBookchin

    GoogleMurrayBookchin Banned

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    According to Marxist analysis, programmers are working class. And the working class never had a mission, only self interest
     
  3. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't read the sarcasm very well........straining.........head hurts.......stopping.......ears bleeding...........owch lol
     
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    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Socialism doesn't work, period.
     
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  5. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    It is a pain-in-the-ass to move bricks and boards around. Such activity is only valuable if they are moved around in such a way as to form something useful, like a dwelling. And to move them around in such a way requires information.
     
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    What makes you think Soviet style Socialism would benefit "ordinary people" any more than what we have now? You think some Jesus Christ like figure will just pop out of the earth as overseer to your new order?

    Dream on
     
  7. Canell

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    I never said that. :alientwo:
     
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    that is a false dichotomy. CCCP main difference from USA was the former being not a part of the world market & financial system. USA has first to be shut off from imports, bereft of its financial might and ties; only then you may compare it with CCCP.
     
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    Regardless of what you call it th theory is still BS and wrong which is one of many things marx was wrong about.

    Value is not simply determined by how difficult something is to get.
     
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    GoogleMurrayBookchin Banned

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    you don't even know what the **** marx was talking about, let's not pretend you're qualified to say whether he was right or wrong about anything
     
  11. Canell

    Canell Well-Known Member

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    You don't think the USSR bought and sold on the International markets? o_O
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Sure I do you explained it yourself quite accurately.

    So you are wrong and so was he.

    You see this item?

    https://fthmb.tqn.com/IF1tvL7CHSXzc...lenmouthpelhamlg-56a4dbf35f9b58b7d0d990f1.jpg

    It is very difficult to find and acquire. Few people use it any more. Yet it is also worthless to most people. It's an antique horse bit. Even people who own horses have little need or use for it because they use more modern tack.

    Yet despite it;s difficulty in finding and acquiring one it is simply not worth that much.

    Marx was full of ****. Value is strictly subjective and cannot be measured by any formula especially by an uneducated deadbeat from the 19th century.
     
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    GoogleMurrayBookchin Banned

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    pathetic
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Yes he was pathetic and completely wrong abundantly stupid and already proven so.

    So are those who follow him.
     
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    GoogleMurrayBookchin Banned

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    i'm ok with you being proudly ignorant but you gotta recognize that's what you're doing
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    I am anything but ignorant.

    I understand marx perfectly far better than you do in fact.
     
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    cool, a guy who didn't know that marx specifically addressed the question of useless labour thinks he knows more about marx than me
     
  18. Soupnazi

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    No one was discussing useless labor.

    I demonstrated how his law of value is worthless and wrong.

    Yes clearly you know nothing about the foolish piece of garbage.
     
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    You're almost too arrogant to be entertaining. Almost
     
  20. Longshot

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    Sovietism doesn't work. This has been demonstrated.
     
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    You mean correct.
     
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    GoogleMurrayBookchin Banned

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    Nah, you get caught in a circular logic loop whenever the specifics of marx are brought up. You get incredibly pissed off and assert that marx is wrong because he just is and never go down to actual reasons, and when you do it's a an egregious misunderstanding of the text that nobody who actually opens them up would have.
     
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    not nearly as much as the US did, of course. CCCP import was only 3% of its national product... it did export too, but that was a drop in the bucket. CCCP problem also was it played zero role in the world financial system. USA vs CCCP was not a war in economics but in geopolitics. USA being Socialist or Communist would not have changed the situation... the two countries had been, were, are & will ever be enemies regardless.
     
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  24. Soupnazi

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    Wrong.

    I clearly did give you reasons why he is wrong and you hate it,

    I understand it quite wrong andf have conclusively demonstrated why it is wrong and he was a fool.

    Sorry but that is fact and you know it.
     
  25. Canell

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    Nope, the USSR sold different items for Rubles to Comecon countries. The USSR was trying to be self sufficient (i.e. not rely on import) and produce everything they needed within the country, so what's wrong with that? Nobody died because they could not eat imported bananas, ya know>?
     
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