Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns

Only by scoundrels and constitutional illiterates. The rest of us do it the other way around.

 

yguy, only scoundrels and illiterates think that the Constitution is not examined in the framework of case law.

 

We can compare USA to NZ, and, yes, garyd, we are way down the list.

 

Apparently you are confused; I never said anything about arming kids. I can't imagine anyone suggesting that.

 

You need to do a little deeper research, and open your mind a little.

When parents give a teacher undisciplined brats and expect the teacher to make responsible scholars of them, they expect that teacher to overcome all the stupidity and lack of character that the parents have already programmed into them. No teacher has the power to do that, but we try to insist they should. The parents and school boards also want the kid to have a diploma so they can tell themselves they did the job... and they don't really care if it represents a real education or not. It has to start with the parents. Giving teachers impossible jobs and then blaming them may be a way to think we have escaped the responsibility, but we don't escape the consequences of the growing crop of incompetent and immature adults that it produces.

I wouldn't be a teacher at any salary- it's a thankless job for most, and parents and public attitudes are to blame. Nearsighted, myopic people who don't understand that the future is always coming.

 

Its not a new theory, just an old and very illogical one.

 

I didn't say it isn't, I said it's only done that way by scoundrels and constitutional illiterates.

 

You have answered your own question.

It's not for me to make excuses for you.
You know the problem, you know the solution all it takes is for you to man up.

I think you need to declare a state of emergency, I don't think it's an overstated problem.
I think it's worth going to war over. I think a civil war is preferable to continuing under your current constitution.
Kill some adults instead. I think you need to deploy the army. Any other country would. WTF.
Your children are not safe. They are being massacred. Again and again and again.
Disarm.
You live in permanent on going Beslan. It is a hell of your own making.

I can't even feel sorry for you any more. I just think you are idiots and you deserve what you get.

 

Ammosexuals on the right don't care about children getting massacred because they might need to rise up against the gubmint one of these days.

 

It's not that simple.
Your right to guns endangers everyone around you.

You try knifing 40 people. It's not so easy.
Go into a shop and buy some bombs. Not so easy.

Deranged people won't disappear if you take their guns away. But they will be a lot safer.
Their potential to cause harm will be greatly reduced.

And your country does have a problem with it.


Home schooling, that is a practical solution. Take your kids out of harms way.

 

In my experience most teachers are looking for a change of career.

 

Facebook is currently abuzz with posts about Cruz's supposed white privilege, suggesting he wasn't shot and killed because of racism in the police force. If there is no right to self defence, and law enforcement is corrupt, you're in a big heap of danger whether I have a right to a gun or not.

Killing anyone using any method is not easy to a sane moral and rational person. The problem isn't with how easy or hard it is. The problem is the willingness to do it in the first place.

You don't buy bombs. You make them. Mentally ill does not mean unintelligent. On the contrary, people with irrational obsessions find all sorts of clever ways to satisfy their compulsion. The plan is something that is thought about, studied, debated, dreamed about over and over in their deranged minds. Just because they aren't thinking right, that doesn't mean they can't be good at it.

 

Oh and on the subject of the law the trump signed that supposedly makes it easier for mentally ill people to get guns...

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/hj-res40/

Why are all these advocacy groups for the resolution? Would you want to be classified as a violent offender just because you have a financial conservator?

 

No it doesn't, at least more than I owning a shovel does.

 

Get rid of the guns: that's the solution. It is working in other countries. It is insane to be so obsessive about guns. Pro-gun people have a serious personality problem: a childish obsession with guns.

 

Personally, I have the same obsession with guns and find it totally understandable.

All of this is true but you don't have to make it easy for them.
America does.

Making excuses is just making excuses.
The solution to this problem sucks balls. Much like the problem itself, only less so.


To address your points individually.
In my country we also have considerable restrictions on bomb making materials. Not just guns. (Knives too).
We have the right to self defence and because our aggressors tend to be unarmed we also have the ability.
Our police don't have many guns either. They don't need them and we don't trust them with guns.
And a momentry lapse of sanity, a flare of anger is not long enough to kill a **** load of people. So the bulk of crankies have time to return to rationality.

This is not a cure all. It does not 100% remove crankiness from the human psychology.
It does not protect our society from every single determined psychotic lunatic out there.
It just limits them.

And let me tell you, boy do you need to start setting serious limits to that kind of behaviour.
It's not a little bit out of control in your country it's full blown ****ed up like Mogadishu. You are all insane. All beyond rational.
Way beyond it.
These people who do the mass killings, you are empowering them to do so.

 

And yet we don't arm our soldiers with the far cheaper shovels, do we?

Because it does. And you know it does.

If you feel a shovel is of equal killing power to gun, why do you need a gun, as long as shovels are not banned, you will be fine.
This is stupid talk.

 

"Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns"

There is no such "right", anymore than there a right to drive on the Highway and get there safely.

 

What makes you thing banning guns will work any better than banning drugs?

 

The results.

It's been tried and in every country where it's been tried, it has been successful.
Show me an example of a country with strong gun controls that has the same amount/level of shootings, murders, massacres and school massacres as America, oh. Wait a minute you can't. Because they don't.

Which is bleeding obvious.

 

Because it works in other countries, all over the world.

 

Two of your proposals I think are perfectly reasonable. Changing our laws or changing our culture. And I am perfectly willing to do that if it means fewer people get killed.

I do not think the Constitution needs to change I'm willing to listen to a case because we do have it in our system that it can.

But I think changing law and changing culture is more feasible so let's focus on that.

To be honest I'm at a loss as what to do and I'll happily discuss it what do you propose?

 

Yes, your comments were stupid talk. They are irrational fear mongering.

I have 17 guns and two shovels. All have been in my household for the entire 18 years that ibe lives here. None of those of are of any danger to anyone in my house or to people around me. They are just things... inanimate objects. They do nothing. They sit there until a person takes action and usues them.

So, a gun is no different than a shovel. I have the same property right to one as the.other.

 

Mine are definitely a danger to potential people. If someone tries to assault of my family or enter my house they are going to be at serious risk of getting shot to death. That's why I have them. That's also why won't give them up.

 

...and if a gun was not readily available you'd grab a shovel vif readily available and do what needs to be done.

In either scenario, it is the you who are the danger to the invader and not the tool you utilize.