So you thought the Russian issue was over

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    No, his friend does.
     
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    Hell no, then I would have editors. I hate editors. I enjoy freelance work, meaning I am free to lance myself.

    I also work for free.
     
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    But you could have your writing right next to ‘Women Impregnated by Aliens’. Would fit right in.
     
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    Correct in THAT indictment. The key word is 'that'. Who knows, there might be several Americans named in the next indictment and the one after that and again in the one after that. There is no limit to the number of indictments there can be. All you have is that no American's were named in the present indictment. Good luck in the future.
     
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    Because frankly there isn't ahell of a lot else that is worth doing that can be done. And in the next Russian election see if you can more effectively return the favor. Hell Rosenstein said they had no evidence that Russia actually change the out come.
     
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    There is no evidence for another indictment coming, or any statement that some Americans may have and we will deal with them later the only reason to hang on to the notion that they'll get Trump in the next round of indictments is because you have become so obsessively desperately needful of it that you just can't let it go. And in a month maybe two when all the charges are thrown out because of the use of the dossier, and no one goes to jail, I suspect a lot of people's bar tabs will hit new highs and the whining and gnashing of teeth from inside the belt way will be loud enough to be heard in Iowa. But the real fun will come when sessions launches his investigation into how the FISA process became so horribly corrupted and abused
     
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    No, Mueller is acting as partisan as I would expect anyone else to act who is covering his own criminality. Mueller simply took over for Comey who also tried to preserve his own firewall.

    That is why the Uranium One investigation has been moved to the Eastern District of Arkansas.

    § 50.111 Criminal penalties.

    (a) Section 223 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended, provides for criminal sanctions for willful violation of, attempted violation of, or conspiracy to violate, any regulation issued under sections 161b, 161i, or 161o of the Act.

    "...except that whoever commits such an offense with intent to injure the United States or with intent to secure an advantage to any foreign nation, shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by a fine of not more than $20,000 or by imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both."

    Sorry Bob Mueller, but there is no statute of limitations on this particular crime !!!
     
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    All your jabber is your attempt to hold on to a thread of hope. Sorry but things are looking rougher for you all the time. You say there is "no evidence for another indictment coming". I would appreciate your posting your source. No one in the White House knows that but we're supposed to believe you? Come on. You don't know any more than the rest of us on this board knows. You can spew all the hatred you want but just like me you have to wait to find out if and when it ends.
     
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    The Rosenstein Quote shown earlier in this thread in which he categorically state and repeated at least once while being questioned that no Americans knowingly aided under cover Russian agents. Oh and all your jabber is just your attempt to hang on to a narrative for which there was never any worthwhile evidence to begin with. By the way your narrative is at the tipping point now. 50% of the public is now convinced that this investigation was little more than a ham handed assault against Trump and his team that had no basis in fact, and in reality was Watergate on steroids.
     
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    It's just astounding
     
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    His quote says nothing of the kind.

    It only addresses what's IN THAT INDICTMENT

    Read that slowly and absorb it.
     
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    I did either no one cooperated knowingly with the Russians or they did. So now you're hoping there's another set of Russsian conspirators that some one did cooperate with? Where's the emoji for boy are you desperate...
     
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    Well they managed to NAB 13 Facebook trolls well done.
     
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    You're reading things that aren't there. No where did he say that no Americans were involved with Russia in this matter. He did state no Americans were involved in "THIS" indictment. What you fail to realize is you can have multiple indictments in a single case. The fact that "no Americans" were named in this one doesn't mean that Americans won't be in the next indictment or the one following that. You're simply trying too hard. As I stated earlier, you have to wait just like I do to find out what's going on.
     
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    Maybe you could try skiing . This stint is over. Lol. Oh you guys .... facts rule.
     
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    The Russian issue is over. What is not over is the interference in the 2016 elections by the crooked Obama admin and Hillary.
     
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    So you thought the Russian issue was over

    I, for one, think there is no chance Mueller's investigation will end before the 2018 election. If the Democrats take back the house Mueller will likely have enough that he can step aside. If Republicans retain control my betting is 50/50 the Mueller will continue.
     
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    To some degree that is true. Rosenstein tells us that members of Trump's team collaborated with the Russians, but then the indictment acts like judge and jury by declaring they were doing so unwittingly. Rosenstein does not explain how he made that judgment call or why his indictment is declaring that certain parties on Trump's team are innocent. That is the purview of a judge and jury, not an indictment.

    He also made a value judgment that was beyond the scope of the indictment by saying repeatedly that the indictment does not allege that the Russian operation changed the outcome of the Presidential election. That, too, is a very strange statement to make in an indictment. Did the DOJ make a complete study of voter intentions? I seriously doubt it, and, again, he does not explain the basis of that statement. Such a judgment of voter intentions is very difficult, if not impossible, to make.

    The efforts of the 13 Russians is combined with the Russian hacking of the DNC and Podesta's computers and WikiLeaks efforts. That was a four-month, daily barrage of information damaging to the Clinton campaign. It is difficult to believe that had no impact on voters.

    The conclusion one can make is that Rosenstein is trying to get within Trump's good graces while announcing that Russian interference in our election on Trump's behalf is very real. That is something Trump has not admitted. Trump remains ambivalent on that issue.

    Here is his latest statement on the subject. It is quite comical.

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

    I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!

    4:33 AM - Feb 18, 2018

    Hard to believe this is our President speaking. Jeez!

    Yet again, Trump isn’t telling the truth. In reality, he has repeatedly cast doubt on the US intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia worked to disrupt the election and wanted to help Trump win.
     
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    Trump tweeted this at 4:30 this morning.

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

    I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!

    4:33 AM - Feb 18, 2018

    According to
    The Fact Checker’s database of Trump claims, Trump in his first year as President denounced the Russian probe as a hoax or witch hunt perpetuated by Democrats 44 times. Here is one example:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

    The Russia hoax continues, now it's ads on Facebook. What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?

    2:44 AM - Sep 22, 2017

    To Trump, lying is a respectable way of doing business. He calls it "truthful hyperbole." His aide, Kellyanne Conway calls it "alternative facts," and the White House perpetuates lies as well. The dozen versions of the Rob Porter fiasco proves that point.
     
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    I think Rosenstein is terrified and trying some CYA, but it's definitely not his job to exonerate anyone. It's unusual for sure how he worded everything.

    I don't believe Russia provided anything to Wikileaks. Assange's credibility is 100% as far as I can find on every posting he's ever made. He said multiple times he did not get the emails from Russia. They came from within the US. Unless someone can show transfer proof, I'll stick with Assange's record as the best evidence of that being true I can find.

    Trump's looking for any vindication he can find because it looks as though he didn't do what he's accused of, at least so far.
     
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    In his early morning tweet, Trump wrote, "The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!"

    Hu-hum, another lie from our President.

    His attorney general met with the Russian ambassador twice, once in his office, then lied about it to the Senate committee confirming him.

    His former NSA who he fired, Mike Flynn, made a deal with the Russian ambassador during the transition period, meaning Flynn was a private citizen at the time. The deal conflicted with official U.S. policy with a hostile power that had interfered in our elections.

    Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June of 2016.

    Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, has had multiple dealings with the Kremlin and he has been indicted for doing so.

    One of Trump's senior advisors during the campaign, Rick Gates, has had multiple dealings with the Kremlin and he has been indicted for doing so. Gates will plead guilty and will cooperate with Mueller.

    Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has had so many dealings with the Russians, at least 100, that he has failed to properly fill out the forms required for a security clearance. Serious questions are swirling around Kushner’s security clearance — which is still pending more than a year after he entered the White House. By some strange coincidence, Kushner requests more intelligence information than any other White House official. I don't believe in coincidences.

    A member of Trump's team, George Papadopulous, lied to the FBI about his Russian involvement. He has pleaded guilty and has been cooperating with Mueller since July.

    Another member of Trump's team, Carter Page, admitted to be an advisor to the Kremlin in 2013. On November 2, 2017, Page testified to the U.S. House Intelligence Committee that he had informed Jeff Sessions, Corey Lewandowski, Hope Hicks and other Trump campaign officials that he was traveling to Russia to give a speech in July 2016. Page testified that he had met with Russian government officials during this trip and had sent a post-meeting report via email to members of the Trump campaign.

    In all, nine members of Trump's team, either close associates or members of his family, have had connections to Russia.

    Trump refuses to acknowledge Russia interfered in our election.

    Trump refuses to take steps to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections.

    Trump refuses to impose sanctions against Russia that were authorized by a bill he signed in August. The sanctions were caused by Russia's interference in our election.

    Trump had this to say about Putin during the election campaign. "I'm saying that I'd possibly have a good relationship. He's been very nice to me."
     
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    “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    “The Russian ‘hoax’ was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia — it never did!”

    :roflol:
     
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    Trump is losing it. So much so that top U.S. officials are telling the world to ignore Trump.

    Amid global anxiety about President Trump’s approach to world affairs, U.S. officials had a message to a gathering of Europe’s foreign policy elite this weekend: Pay no attention to the man tweeting behind the curtain.

    U.S. lawmakers — both Democrats and Republicans — and top national security officials in the Trump administration offered the same advice publicly and privately, often clashing with Trump’s Twitter stream: The United States remains staunchly committed to its European allies, is furious with the Kremlin about election interference and isn’t contemplating a preemptive strike on North Korea to halt its nuclear program.


    But Trump himself engaged in a running counterpoint to the message, taking aim on social media at his own national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, because he “forgot” on Saturday to tell the Munich Security Conference that the results of the 2016 election weren’t affected by Russian interference, a conclusion that is not supported by U.S. intelligence agencies. They say they will probably never be able to determine whether the Russian involvement swung the election toward Trump.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6a950029788_story.html?utm_term=.c911db18125a

    "General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!" Trump tweeted.

    Oh, yeah, he is losing it. It's obvious.
     
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    If you are counting the 13 Russian indictment them your fooling yourself :) This is just smoke and mirrors and dog and pony show, and you will never know the truth because those thirteen Russians will never be extradited nor will they ever be questioned! They are simply scape goats and nothing more than something to appease the leftist thirst for useless information :)
     
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    This matter is over. Too few care. I am a commie liberal and I think its silly.
     

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