A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

How could I blame god? I don’t believe he exists, the same way I don’t believe Zeus is king of the gods.
Why is the st Patrick’s parade ok for children? There are so many drunken Irishmen Do the Irish promote being drunk? Or are they just having a fun. Time and being outrageous.
Who wants YOU to join a gay parade? That would be like the black lives matter march invited the grand Wizard of the KKK

 

Again, this is a non-issue to which the answer is very simple; yes gays should be allowed to marry and yes, churches should be allowed to deny gays a wedding ceremony.

 

Pretty much.

 

Yeah, and funny thing is; those Churches that deny Gay Marriage, condemn Homosexuality.

And yet, at age 9, I was Raped by a 34 year old Heterosexual Male Athletics Coach / Clergyman / Minister, and he had a 25 year old Beautiful Wife and his 9 year old Son was also My best freind.

Hypocrisy, I do not blame anyone but him......

 

I am really sorry to hear your horrific story, but such emotional arguments won't earn you any points in this discussion.

If the church condemns you, you reply by condemning them. I mean, why would anyone want to be associate with someone that hates them? I am a strong believer in the principle of freedom of association and thus favour everyone's right to discriminate.

If you want a church-wedding, find a Church that does not condemn homosexuality. Running to the State crying and asking for new jurisdiction is only going to hurt everyone in the long run.

As said before; this is non-issue.

 

It's the "message" of the Church. We embrace perfection though we are imperfect people. When you embrace perfection....it automatically makes you a hyporite. So, what say you?? We throw out perfect Love and live according to our desires so that we can say we are genuine heathen??? I'm sorry about what happened to you. I am ashamed that someone who claimed to be part of those that follow Jesus did such a vile thing. I don't see how corrupting the institution of marriage, by giving it a new and vile meaning would change a thing.I am also an imperfect person but I embrace a perfect life meaning. I have "decided " to follow Jesus and there is no turning back.

I believe you are right in not blaming anyone but him. I pray you continue to receive healing.

 

Some seem to think that to hate something....it is the opposite of Love. Not so. Hate is related to Love in that it gives at least some value. I bet you have had people in your life that violated you in some way so badly you decided to pretend they don't exist. That is "rejection"..... the exact opposite of Love. That is what you pretend to do with God. He spoke you into existence yet your "pretending" does not change reality. He puts high value on you and you cannot change that.

 

Do you believe in allah? If not, isn’t that rejection and the opposite of love? Do you reject Zeus? Pretending they don’t exist doesn’t change “reality”
How do you know your supernatural puts high value on me? You mean, you believe he does. I believe my good luck earrings make my speeches successful. Who are you not to believe that?

 

Well I think the supernatural manyou believe in is also very imperfect! ...to allow such vile things to happen to those who worship him.

 

Well so your belief is, you are a victim of chance....not much value in that,

 

It would make no difference. If Kathy had married a man instead of a Lesbian the same question would exist. The father would have to exercise or give up his rights to the children, and would have no voice in the solution if relinquishes his rights.
I don't oppose same sex couples, simply oppose the application of the words marriage, husband, wife, etc. Words should convey clear meaning, and we have enough difficulty conversing with one another already, as many words no longer mean the same to each of us, requiring us to define what we mean by the words we're using.

 

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I still do not see how Gay issues and Gay Marriage affect you.

You have a Heterosexual Marriage and how you define Marriage and how you relate to Marriage and the Words you use are fine and Dandy as it relates to you, and confined to you.

However, why do you care how and why and the particulars of Gay Marriage and if they want, for whatever reason, to use the Words, Marriage, Husband, Wife, all concepts that do not affect you in any way whatsoever.

You have your World, Gays have theirs, and neer the twain shall meet.

Forget about what others do, and work on those things within the confines of your own private domain.

Oh lest I forget,
Don't worry, most Gays 99.9% have no plans to attend ( Invade) your Church and there are enough Gay Churches and Clergy that perform Gay Marriages to trouble your Hetero Churches.

And the Cake Business is just too silly for Words.

Any Alien Race contemplating contact with Our Planet would discard the idea since We are still too Socially Primitive.....

 

#metoo

 

As I said, I'm not opposed to same sex relationships, simply the vernacular changes which have effect on our ability to communicate clearly.
The rest of you reply is so far out in Left field that I won't bother to reply to all the false accusations.

 

I am sorry you cannot read and have some sort of learning disabilities, and that is fine, if you either read slowly or get someone to read and explain it to you,

I made no accusations of any kind.

To re-phrase, forget about what Gay People do.

It has nothing to do with you.
It does not affect your ability to communicate, obviously you have difficulty understanding basic English.

Marriage and the related words have a meaning for you and that does NOT change and nobody wants you to change your ideas about your Marriage or the definitions you have about your Marriage.

Gay people have their Marriage and should not have to change or modify the words they use, or their definitions of Marriage or the terms of their Marriage, in order to please you or anyone else..

 

The word husband implies a male gender while the word wife implies a female gender. The term marriage implies a contract between a man and a woman. I have no problem with a contractual agreement between two persons of the same sex being given recognition equal to that of a marriage contract with wording which would indicate correctly the gender of the participants.
I don't have a need to ever think about what Gay people do.
It does affect my ability to communicate, when gender based words no longer apply to gender.
I'm an atheist.

 

Don't care your religious affiliation or lack thereof. Atheists can be bigoted morons just like anyone else. I do care when straights are arrogant enough to think they own the English language and that they get to decide how and when language changes meaning, and that it requires their pre-approval. We aren't waiting for your concurrance.

We do not want to call each other our 'co-contractee', or our 'civil union partner'. We want to call each other our husband or our wife just like everybody else. We don't want separate but equal ( that really never is equal). We don't want a separate line for a separate form, or to stand in a separate line, so that you don't have to have your' term' soiled by our inclusions. Civil marriage, which we may abbreviate to marriage, in this country will now mean a spouse marries a spouse inclusive of any combination of genders, so you, Ndividual, are going to have to grow up. You don't have the power to stop this, no matter how much you stomp your feet.

 

Juvenile and OT.

 

And gays, Christians, liberals, conservatives, etc. too, can be bigoted morons.
No one 'owns' any language, but communication is much more easily accomplished and understood when single words convey more precise meanings. Aren't you being bigoted and arrogant in your response? I don't understand your reasons for wanting to redefine the existing words that are gender based when you could more easily create new words that convey clear and concise meaning in conversation. Not only that, but government could then much more easily acquire meaningful statistical data for use in identifying societal problems relevant to the issue.
It isn't a case of being made separate but equal, but one of being equal but different.
The word 'spouse' while generally would convey meaning a member of the opposite sex might be the one word that would be less arguably acceptable.
If there are two lines, one for the women and the other for the men, should both lines contain some biological men and biological women? Can we change our chromosomes?
There are but two genders, male and female. While homosexuality appears to have become more acceptable in most societies today, it will always remain an aberrant trait relative to the natural world.

Go ahead and stomp your feet, pull your hair out, and/or throw a tantrum, I've, within my rights and without malice, given my opinion on the subject.

 

Read about Allah. Read about Zeus. They are one gods of many thousands. After you read about them, if you believe they stand and knock at the door to your heart.....go for it. The Apostle Paul followed the Greek Philosophers in their lectures to their many Temples about their many gods. They came to the Temple of "the unknown God". It was their Paul, a quite adroit speaker and intellectual was permitted to speak. He began to tell them about the One True God. The Creator of Heaven and Earth (and everything beyond) He told them of the" Good News of Redemption" thru Jesus......and many followed after that. It is obvious today.

 

They could come up with a" new word". It is in no way shape or form the same as "marriage". It is not the union that "begets" family. They have no right to diminish the meaning of the "original".

 

We should ban menopausal women from marrying
We should ban artificial insemination
We should ban sterile people from marriage.
So if people opt to have no children, they should be denied marriage licenses
Words change. Society changes. That’s why I am a progressive and you are a regressive

 

Why do we have to change words? As you point out the word spouse generally would convey meaning of the opposite sex. I usually refer to my spouse as my husband. My gay friend refers to his spouse as his husband as well. What’s the need to invent another word?

 

What do you mean you don’t have a need to think about what gay people do? Once again gay people are being reduced to Sex
When I hear about straight friends who are getting married I don’t think about”what they do in bed”.
The term marriage usually implies a contract between a man and woman because that is what most marriages are. But now the term marriage means a contract between two people to commit to each other. Why does that bother you? Words evolve

 

Actually words should be less gender specific. I wrote a book and Interchange my pronouns. Most things usually referred to people as ‘he’ ....Unless otherwise stated! Take the word Miss and Mrs.. The first word defines a single woman and the second word defines a married woman. What does the word Mr. define other than he is a male ? And we seem to get along OK with that.
I grew up where the word man defined jobs..policeMAN...fireMAN, spOkesMAN.
In my book introduction I suggested to teachers that they interchange pronouns and use less traditional role descriptions. For example I will Write things, like “when mother came home from work, dad had dinner ready” or refer to doctors as she and nurses as he. We internalize language