Special counsel indicts 13 Russian nationals in Russia investigation

Speaking of creative, every campaign may do opposition research
but Hillary and the Steele dossier took that customary step a bit further and proactively filled it's report with unverified and undocumented
claims which will never be substantiated.
Of course every campaign lies about the other in some ways,
but that's not all, and the Steel dossier then went a step further than that...

The FBI did indeed use the Steele dossier improperly and they certainly DID misrepresent the dossier giving it
a thin veneer of respect and legitimacy it did not remotely deserve.

How can anyone not think the court was hoodwinked by the FBI, using it's prestige and reputation improperly to represent a report filled with lies and rumors (as already established) while at the same time underplaying, or not revealing at all, the whole raison d'etre for the Steele dossier to begin with...as a political tool used to smear a political opponent? A political vendetta, in other words!

And of course, the FBI knew it all the time and even paid Steele do more research on Trump. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/4/fbi-authorized-christopher-steele-payments-dossier/
They absolutely sullied their own reputation.

Would the FiSA court, or any court, accept the Steele dossier as evidence that the Trump administration needed secret surveillance
if the court knew that the DNC and Hillary Clinton paid for this research and got it from a man who hated Trump and vowed to ruin his presidential aspirations? That seems utterly absurd on the face of things and if true would invalidate the court's ruling and any
information discovered or used against Trump and his administration as a result.

In what alternate reality universe would a court grant a request to spy on a politician, using unverified opposition research gathered by a man who vowed to ruin this politician and who will not even stand behind his product, as justification for that request?

The investigation has been going on since last October, at least. How long does it take to discover that Tony Podesta was doing exactly what Michael Flynn was nabbed for (working as an unregistered foreign agent), which is a felony?
Seems like a simple two part question: Are you doing work for the Russian government (yes/no) and are you registered as such (yes/no)?
It certainly didn't take months and months to snare Flynn in that net.

Is that what you tell yourself?

 

The facts of 2016 results speak for themselves.

 

In order to rig the election for your BLOTUS!

 

That your beloved BLOTUS is infesting the Oval office is proof that the alt right was duped by the Russians.

 

Can you point out where in the Constitution the president is responsible for the technological security of State Voter Rolls?

 

Yup. Trump whipped your asses!

CNN and MSNBC PUSHED RUSSIA-SPONSORED RALLY

 

Thank you for tacitly admitting that Dem voter suppression was highly effective in rigging the election for your beloved BLOTUS!

 

You are disingenuously conflating alt right canards and disinformation and yes, you will continue to do the work of the Russians in undermining the faith of Americans in our electoral system.

 

Aside from the fact that your beloved BLOTUS is now tainting the Whitehouse and the GOP controls Congress?

 

Already provided in prior posts.

 

Oh, the IRONY!

 

The only "voter suppression was "THIS"

 

Are you dodging my question? I asked what commission. I'm still waiting for an answer.

If you're taking about that election commission that Trump appointed, the one led by Chris Kovatch, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

That effort failed on its first attempt.

When Kovatch asked for the voter registration rolls of the various states, most refused, including most red states.

There was little doubt in anyone's mind what Kovatch would have tried had he succeeded. And it had nothing to do with voting integrity or transparancy. And the states saw right through it, right away.

 

The electoral system works beautifully. It wasn't compromised in the least, and NO ONE makes a claim otherwise. No votes were altered, is the official consensus. Your pathetic alt right shaming tactic is a total fail, BTW. Liberals know so little about faith, I wonder why they so often invoke it? If you were a person of faith, you'd know that it's not easily shaken.

 

You'll have to take that up with Robert Mueller.

I'm not interested in some right wing blog's attempts to parse the issue.

As for measurable influence, the large social media organizations know how many people Russian troll farm efforts reached.

Neither they, nor anyone else, can say for sure which votes changed becasue right wingers like the ones who shared Russian generated fake news here and shared it on their social media influenced people they shared this garbage with. But since they have already admitted that this campaign reached 130 million people (and that number only covers the sponsored content, which was not the central focus of the Russian effort), and Trump only won by 70,000 votes, the possibility is quite plausible.

What's really sad is the way Trumpsters still refuse to see this as a genuine national security issue.

Instead, you parrot Trump's shamless dismissals and make excuses for his derelection of duty.

I have never seen anything like it. Shameful doesn't quite describe it.

 

Now you are just parroting the Russian bot/troll drivel again.

The electoral system is seriously flawed and needs an overhaul.

Votes were SUPPRESSED and that is a proven fact. Had they not been suppressed the outcome would probably have been different given the amount of suppression involved in key states.

So let's deal with REALITY instead of the alt right disinformation distorted and tainted by the malign Russian bot/troll influences.

 

Are you saying democrats are dumb enough to change their votes based on tweets?

 

That is true.

The electoral college was intended to exaggerate the influence of small and sparsely populated regions, so that elections would not always be dominated by the large populous states.

It worked.

 

You mean he's advancing his policies, and bringing congress around in support of them? Took Trump months of prodding to get the GOP to accept it's obligation to legislate, and not just bloviate like a collection of social media pundits. That's really not our topic though is it? You seem to have run out of talking points on Russian trolls.

 

This indictment is a media event for Mueller to ‘prove’ the investigation is not a witch hunt.

One problem. This was reported on by Russian journalists last year and includes only 13 of the 90 involved. The Russian journalist speculates that they are the only names Mueller could come up with. Some weren’t even working there at the time.

Of course nothing will happen because Mueller won’t get anyone out of St. Petersburg to prosecute.

 

Yes. That commission. I address exactly the purpose, systems integrity, and resistance to that commissions mission. It wasn't that I was vague, it's that it's become a source of national embarrassment for democrats. 15 states flatly refused to comply. Around 40 withheld SSN#'s over privacy concerns. The majority were red states ... LOOK at the electoral map!

 

You'll need to post that Intel assessment of voter supression. That's covered under 18 US 594. That's not the basis of Muellers indictment. YOU are falsely alleging supression, thereby undermining faith in the electorate. Polly says b'waaak?

 

A lot of people are that dumb.

How do you think we would up with a man whose only talent is getting himself in tabloids and entertaining morons on reality TV?

 

Easy, same as voting in a community organizer just because he was black.

 

Yes, you were vague. You never answered my question.

And the states had few illusions about the real intent of this commission, especially considering the reputation and the record of teh man Trump chose to lead it.

The fact that 15 states refused to comply out of the box, and that most of them were red, doomed the effort from teh start.

And concern over social security numbers is a reflection of how much the states distrusted both Kovatch and Trump.

After all, the Federal government already has everyone's social security numbers.