Max Rockatansky said: I was looking at buying one and even found a good price for a blued model, but changed my mind because it only takes .45 long colt. The S&W Governor takes both long Colt and ACP along with .410 shells. So, what about the Smith & Wesson Governor? https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-governor-0
Police, military and home owners face different situations and capabilities. Many of the non-police/non-military women I know prefer a revolver, especially a .38, due to a lack of confidence and upper body strength in working a slide and clearing a jam. I've trained my wife on 9mms, but she prefers her Taurus 85 polymer with .38 +P home defense rounds. I have a few wheel guns myself, but prefer a 1911A1 for home use, a 9mm on the road. It's a matter of choice and should never be a matter of government regulation.
Good gun, but again, it should be a matter of personal preference, not government restrictions. Here is my Taurus 85 ultra-lite stainless steel I recently picked up for under $200. Easy to carry, but just sits tucked into my chair for now. Same ammo as my wife's'; .38 +P JHP home defense rounds. I have a set of Crimson Trace laser grips on order. Should be here Sunday.
I'm not trying to go off topic, but IF the anti-immigrant lobby loses and they are told they cannot stop the flow of Hispanics from south of the border, you're thinking they will just accept it and move on? I've seen that as a possible scenario whereby we would enter in a civil disturbance nationally.
A pre-1899 Colt Civilian-Army double action 38 with a swing out cylinder (allowing speed loading) was for black powder 38 Colt long cartridges. I have often read they can well handle a modern powder cartridge, which flip top styles can not. However, you can order the black powder cartridges (they are made in runs) and it is a plenty lethal round. Being pre-1899 they are not even considered a firearm under federal law and the same for many (but not all) states. Accordingly, you need no CCW, technically can open carry, and take it where firearms are otherwise prohibited. People should check laws. In Florida, you can Open Carry - but ONLY if you are on your way too, at or coming from hunting or fishing. That means virtually all the time anywhere as long as you are prepared to state where you are headed to fishing and hunting at. I recommend EVERYONE have a Crimson Trace laser grip. Most people in a panic couldn't hit a cow charging at them, but it's easy with the red laser dot for which you don't even need to try to use the sights. The alloy 5 shot 38 special revolvers with Crimson Trace are an excellent pocket gun - and they don't jam even if neglected for years.
I can't believe that you just advised Max Rockatansky to avoid you if he wished to participate here. That was funny no matter who you are. Personal attacks? You stay on me like flies on a pile of fresh dung. If criticism is not your strong suit, maybe you should have something more than a bumper sticker slogan to parrot all day long.
<Rule 2> The fact is, the plan has never been implemented. Broward County will wish they had implemented it and I'll bet you... let us say $2000 that by this time next year, some of my recommendations will be law in Florida. We can let Max Rockatansky hold the money for that one year. ?
It's the same caliber. .410/.45. The problem is that .410 is inadequate for self defense. Even using buckshot, it only holds 3 pellets of 000 Buckshot or 9 of #4. OOO buckshot is .36. #4 is .24. The velocity of either is at around 1000 fps. That's just weak. It's not accurate using .45LC (and I would imagine .45ACP), as the reason for this innacuracy is just basic mechanics. The cylinder is designed for a 2.5 inch long .410 shell. A .45 lc is 1.25 inches long. It's going through that smoothbore cylinder without rifling for a significant distance for a bullet in the gun. (the .45 acp is less than an inch long, so it's worse). The American rifleman tested the Governor with .45LC and were getting 5 inch groups at 25 yards (2.25 inch groups at 7 yards). A typical semi-automatic pistol gets 2.25 inch groups at 25 yards (and aren't tested at 7 yards, because it's not much of a test. The governor is so innacurate that they chose to see how it did closer up). Again, why should citizens be relegated to junk revolvers (140 year old technology), instead of being allowed to have what 20 year old police officers have on their belts?
No the U.S is not any of those countries you mentioned precisely because we have the right to bear arms.All you progressives think "you have arrived" and we are in the age of Aquaries. Kumbaya. You just don't know your history. And what is shown you ,you deny. Also, I like to think of myself as young but my father was a WW2 vet if that gives you a clue.....and I know my history.
Yet another person fooled by the Australia gun ban myth. When AUS implemented its gun ban in 1996, crime went way up. AUS suffered from a crime bubble that peaked in 2001-2002. From the AUS Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports, here are the rates (per 100,000 people) for various crimes: Total Violent Crime: 716.7 in 1995 (year before the ban), 1015.7 in 2002-2002, 959.5 in 2009 Robbery: 80.61 in 1995, 137.0 in 2001, 69.7 in 2009. Sexual Assault: 71.77, 95.3, 86.0 Assault with Severe Bodily Injury: 560.7, 809.7, 801.4 Homicide: 3.63, 4.2, 2.4 (yes, it went up during the bubble after the ban) What AUS did with their gun ban was slightly decrease an already very, very low firearm homicide rate, and greatly increase violent crime in general. Ask all those people who were raped, beaten, victimized, if the gun ban is worth it.
I have no guns, so it really has no impact on me, however if the laws were legally changed regarding possession of firearms and if i had firearms I would comply since I don't believe I'm above the law.
Yet another person posting unsupported ***** SNOPES has debunked this one And just in case anyone missed it Logic 101 Gun reform - What has that to do with general crime? There is no evidence that more guns equals less sexual assault or general crime (remembering that Australia does not seperate out sexual assault into rape and other) Logic 101 cherry picking Note too that only one or two years are quoted and trend graphs are not displayed. This should ring flashing alarm bells in the minds of anyone reading this post that the overall trend was actually down https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/australian-guns/ I think this was the Internet equivalent of " the shell game" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...-and-suicides-john-howard-port-arthur/7254880 Discusses the only true correlate firearm mortality
Your argument was not ad hominem. Arguments over guns are often overheated. I usually point out the limitations of ad hominem when it appears in a reply, but it doesn't really bother me. Of course logical responsive arguments are more interesting.
Love the posts that just fall back on the "right to bear arms" and in a way that is OK. I have to agree with Jim Jeffries on this one - there is one argument for guns "**** off I like guns - It is not the best argument but it is all you got"
And your post only showed cherry picked data It is the classic way to misrepresent truth. Only tell part of the story
