Our changing times: which side will the right and left take about this free speech documentary?

What of this post below gives you ANY indication he's against free speech?

"Funny, cuz I've just seen a couple threads by conservatives here clamoring for the head of a university professor for expressing her views about the Bushes."

 

What you are suggesting is that no one should ever be fired for bad behavior which has nothing to do with free speech.

 

That's because for some reason conservatives today seem to have a massive persecution complex. At least based on all the whining they do. In the words of Don Corleone..."You can act like a man. What's the matter with you?! Is this how you turned out, a Hollywood finocchio that cries like a woman?! [mockingly] "Eheheh! What can I do? What can I do?" What is that nonsense? Ridiculous."

 

No....that is NOT what is being suggested. Wow.

 

That she be removed from her position. Same as the libs do all the time.

 

He’s not suggesting that. He’s pointing out how conservatives are asking for her to be removed. He’s pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

Still not anything to do with free speech.

 

No s#!t. Who said it was???

 

Dumb eventually gets punished. For being dumb.

 

The first amendment doesn't protect you from other people who might disagree with you and attack you for your viewpoint. It protects your right to expression from the government and even then it is limited in certain circumstances and places.

If you say something that makes people mad and they come after you for it, they aren't violating your rights. They are using their freedom of speech just the same as you are. They are just using it against you.

To be clear I think a lot of the partisanship around attacking someone for their views is outrageous and wrong. I just don't see it as a violation of anyone's rights.

 

Not sure if you saw the trailer for the documentary I linked to in my OP, but the issue is leftists preventing, through threats of violence, conservatives to speak at publicly funded universities.

And please define, "coming after you" if you would? If I'm holding a sign that is deeply offensive you to, are you allowed to use violence to prevent me from holding such a sign in public? Or perhaps I'm shouting what you consider hateful slogans in front of a college; does this allow you to physically attack me?

 

This is just silly and doesn't add to your argument, despite the extremely cool Godfather quote.

The trailer for the documentary I linked specifically speaks about university 'speech codes" that allow leftists, at publicly funded universities, the right to quash 1A rights. They are disallowing speech that would be allowed outside the campus.

Why is this OK?

 

The extremes of both sides will attempt to suppress free speech on the other extreme side.

 

While I think people should be open to hearing opposing views, how is what you mentioned a violation of 1st amendment rights?

 

Didn't watch the trailer.

Violence is definitely not acceptable. "coming after you" would refer to boycotts or expressing disagreement verbally, through media, etc. People get punished for the things they say. It's not always the right thing to do and seems to go overboard all the time, but you are not protected from others using their speech against you just the same as they are not protected from you using your speech to dispute with them.

I will say, if you go out in a public place and shout out a bunch of racist hateful crap there is a good chance someone is going to get mad and do something about it. Whether that's right or wrong it is reality.

 

Antifa does not debate. They only scream down the opposition. They cannot debate, so there is no way they can win one. That leaves screaming.

 

Free speech has never existed. The only way to have free speech is to beat the hell out of anyone that tries to stop you from speaking. Governments that guarantee free speech have always been happy to go back on that the second it's convenient.

 

So let me see if I have this correct.

You're more concerned about 1st Amendment rights as they pertain to colleges, but not so much to the actual erosions by this administration to the freedoms of the press? Hmmm, seems like your priorities are inconsistent.

 

I live in northern California, so I'm in the epicenter of what used to be, ironically enough, where the free speech movement started in the 1960s. So although leftist violence has been providing conservative speakers throughout the U.S., I'll focus on my state:

After 'antifa' violence, Berkeley debates whether Milo Yiannopoulos and other conservatives are welcome

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-berkeley-far-left-protests-milo-20170830-story.html

Ann Coulter speech at UC Berkeley canceled, again, amid fears for safety

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amid-fears-for-safety/?utm_term=.83ef8b41129a

Here's an interesting article where 19 percent of college students say it is acceptable to use violence and agreed with the following statement:

"A student group opposed to the speaker uses violence to prevent the speaker from speaking. Do you agree or disagree that the student group’s actions are acceptable?"

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...he-first-amendment-results-from-a-new-survey/

I truly hope you agree that this is unacceptable in what is supposed to be a society that follows the rule of law...

 

The trouble with free speech with many people, is someone has the right to use their rights in ways others do not like. For me to have free speech, I MUST let others have free speech.
Rights are like that. If I Don't defend your rights, I will lose mine.

 

Put guns on your hips and the violence will stop. sometimes, there is definitely a need for the second amendment to protect the other amendments.

 

Nothing wrong with boycotts and peaceful protesting; in the post above I provided examples of leftists using violence to prevent speakers from appearing.

But I find your last paragraph both fascinating and frightening.

Yes, it is reality. But we should accept as reality that a bunch of white people will attack a Black Lives Matter protestor carrying a sign like this?:



Now, I realize you probably didn't mean white on black violence when you made your observation. But the fact that some now condone ANY kind of violence in response to speech, regardless of how offensive, is yet another sign that we have lost our way...

 

Where in the wide, wide world of sports did I say anything about the the media?

My OP and the link I provided is specifically related to universities.

If you want to discuss what you consider the erosion of the freedom of the press, please start your own thread.

 

Yet you sure seem comfortable wanting to paint ALL liberals under one brush.

Beyond the liberals you have already mentioned, there are many comedians and entertainers who are eschewing the college scene altogether. The hypersensitivities on some college campuses does border on the ridiculous, but if one were to dig deeper you would probably find some reason it has become what it is today. I don't know because I haven't been to a college campus in years and quite frankly don't give a damn.

Just as it irks conservatives when a liberal paints them all as racists, so too does it irk liberals when painted as PC ss officers.