Trump Pulls US Out Of Iran Deal

Small fry compared to Saud/US and others.

 

This is why it is important not to speak in labels and define one's terms.

 

There was only one government that called itself "Nazi" but the policies of the Israeli government shares many of the Nazi philosophy. So just because the Palestinians are not "Jews" does not prove that Israel isn't neo-Nazi. Israel hasn't yet come to "the final solution" but most things that led up to it can be seen in Israel today.

The Nazis shot innocent men and dumped them inside German borders and called it "hostiles trying to break into their country". Israel is doing the very same thing. People trying to get back home is not "hostiles trying to break into YOUR country". It's not your country. It's theirs'.

 

And keep the Palestinians without land? I say the most easy is to let the Palestinians go back home and let Jews and Moslems (Arabs) come to an agreement by political channels in a nation of two cultures similar to Belgium, Canada, Switzerland, France, Finland, Spain, Malaysia, Singapore, Lebanon, USA, etc.

 

Since the Romans destroyed the temple was no independent land there. Now Israel is real and Palestine is a possibility

What a nonsense: If we wipe the Palestinians from this planet because they declared war on Bavaria, when they broke the Olympic peace at Munich in 1972, then I do not like to have Jews in the hairline cross of my phaser. Will this happen? No! Will happen what you say? No, too! It is as absurde! What you say here is only the next step of an endless never ending pseudo-discussion. But endless discussions are a sin.

Why are you interested in Palestinians and/or Israeli and their problems?

 

Palestinian Bedouins have lots of land.. In Jordan .
Their true country.

 

thats like saying the Jews' true country is Poland.

 

You are telling me you are an American and do not know about the American Christian Right even when they are now in your Government. I have heard the lot now.

As you are claiming to know nothing you will get a very sound introduction on this link and the links on it to the nature of the relationship of the Christian Right neo cons and US Government and Israel, something which has now being on for decades and has brought you to where you are.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/paul-rogers/trump-pence-jerusalem-christian-zionism-connection

Although possibly you are not so alone. This was though written in 2005 so hopefully the situation has changed now and people are more aware

From Christian Zionists and neocons: a heavenly marriage
https://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict/article_2329.jsp


I am guessing the first sign of the stronghold they have on American politics would be in1995 When they managed to get the vote that the US Embassy would be moved to Jerusalem, the undivided Jerusalem I think. With this they destroyed the work of your President on Oslo and destroyed any hope of any just solution while your Presidents continued pretending they were honestly involved in Peace Negotiations. If the world sees a sane future, history will look very poorly on this but this was the US moving out of being a democracy and working the ways democracies do, looking for compromises, looking for something which works for both and is just, to American Politics having a Christian Zionist bent, one in which it has been prepared to give up everything in order to see what it believes its bible says concerning Jews and Israel. I can remember at one time after 9/11 hearing Bush saying 'They think they are religious, they do not know just how religious we are.' At the time, though thinking of it as something shady, I did not think too much of it. However ISIS talks of the West as 'The Crusaders' and as far as the US is concerned and it is the US who has the most power in the world, what they say is true. There is not that much difference between the Christian Right and ISIS.

Chris Hedges holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard University. It was while studying for this that he got his introduction to dangers of the Christian Right.

Hedges was given a warning by his Lecturer Adams, who was 80, that by the time they were 80, they would all be fighting Christian Fascists. The Christian Right have been busy the past 35 years or so entrenching itself in Government and the Judiciary. They apparently have an intent to use the US to build a global Christian empire. Adams warned against Intellectual snobbery. The Nazis he said were not going to return with Swastikas and brown shirts, their ideological inheritors he said had found a mask for fascism in patriotism and the pages of the bible. Hedges says he was not the kind of man to use the word fascism lightly. He was in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti fascism church. He was eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo who got him to return to the US.

Adams saw in the American Christian Right very early on startling similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party. Similarities which he said that at a time of prolonged social instability or a National Crises, the American fascist under the guise of religion would rise to destroy open society - and that is what has been happening since 9/11 (PNAC)

Adams criticised liberals who mouthed silly platitudes about dialogue and inclusiveness which made them ineffectual and impotent. He said liberals did not understand the power and appeal of evil or the cold reality of how the world works. The elite he said had no time for a battle which might cost them their prestige and comfort – he was noticing people giving up their integrity through complacency caused by having enough of the pie. (that is also a description of how democracy can give way to despotism) He said if the Nazis took over the US 60% of Harvard Faculties would begin their session with the Nazi salute. He points out that in the 30's, 60% of American intellectuals and industrialists were open to Nazism and among certain brands of 'Christianity' this never stopped, in mentality, not that they would be doing any Heil Hitlers and here we find the Christian Right which is now in your Government and for whom Trump forgot international law, forgot America's responsibilities and set in motion something which for the ME is incredibly destructive, for the Palestinians is Colonialism on steroids and for America exclusion in the world - or just with allies Saudi Arabia and Friends and Israel very possible....and yet most American's cannot see this. A very strange thing. They are asleep.

To speak a little more about liberals. In Germany in the 30's they hoped by good argument to win over those moved by nazism. This would not work as, as Hedges points out, once someone has made this move, there is no way you can reach them. We understood this after the war, particularly from the 60',70's, though I think the US had further to go than Europe. Here is the issue. If liberals are liberal towards intolerance then intolerance wins and destroys their democracy with its tolerance. simple as that. Popper was the first person to make that clear. So what was done from the 60's was that if people were bigoted they felt a consequence. This helped to keep democracy and equal rights in place. Then, I started noticing it first when I came on forums, so about ten years or so ago, people started talking about all these things being PC. They claimed that people needed to listen to these intolerant people or they would get worse. Good ploy and it worked. Liberals started being tolerant towards intolerance and it grew and grew to how it is today. If we are not careful just like in 1930's Germany, Liberal's tolerance of intolerance will see the destruction of tolerance.





The Christian Right have been working on getting into politics since Carter disgusted them by believing the Palestinians were people who deserved rights and justice like every other people in the world. I think it is Hedges who has said they want a Genocide against Muslims though perhaps that was Jeremy Scahill or both but they were not joking and it is clear from their words and actions that this is so. I think it was during the 80's that they teamed up with the neocons and started taking over seminaries teaching their distorted brand of Christianity. Hedges spent a considerable amount of time lurking among them so that he could be certain what they are like. Hedges from his personal experience with them says they take away people's ability to think for themselves and despite claiming they are for families destroy them. Basically this is a cultish political group. Hedges is very clear, The Christian Right are not Christian.

Over the past few decades they have firmly placed themselves within US politics and your justice system. They are capable of taking over and it is them that people like Hedges believe will bring the US to fascism. They share much with the alt right but contrary to the way in which everyone is concerned about the alt right, they do not have a position in politics, they do not have themselves in Government and they are not implanted in your justice system. They can hang on to the coat tails of the Christian Right but that is as good as it gets for them ...but there again, given that there is not much difference between them it does not matter that much. Both the Christian Right and the alt right are anitsemetic , homophobic and islamophobic. Hedges describes them as have a strain of deep cruelty, savagery even - and these people are now in your Government. Simply on the notion of preparing people for a Christian fascism, have you not noticed how the people enticed into the 'new right' suddenly love Christianity.

One day Hedges said to Jeremy Scahill that the problem was that they did not have their own private army. Scahill immidiately pointed out that they do in what ever Prince is calling Blackwater/Academi today.

I think it was Adams who said they would come first for gays and then for genuine Christians....and I would say they are certainly getting started.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...kehold-on-america_us_598109dae4b02be325be0206

America has bit by bit been giving up the necessary safeguards for democracy. In many ways you have set yourselves up to be taken over by fascism though as Adams said it is not coming looking like a Nazi.

What is Mike Pence's views on Gays? ....did I hear something about hanging them?

There is masses of information on this subject. If you want to know more just do a search.

 

Imma get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames! All right!

 

I agree with all of that. Except for that bit on the last 18 months. It has been special watching the Lame Stream media go desperate along with the Demos and their TDS. They should get a TV series running.....calling it the Mopes.

 

Its to bad you don't understand reality. Try not listening to the Lame Stream or Democrats. It can only help.

 

Huh?

What is really absurde is you claiming that the Palestinians declared war on Bavaria.

 

Are those like the Rocket Dancer kicks in high heels?

 

The difference between an Arab and a Beduin is the difference between a Gypsie and a Roma ....... but you don't know anything about that.

 

There might be more to come ... and tomorrow is another day.

 

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/994891812811747328

 

They're going to need a lot of help to make that happen. Israel and the US will never permit it.

 

I'm asking you who the Christian Right is. If I want a Google response I'll do that myself.

A few short sentences will do, rather than a long screed you've bookmarked somewhere. Just your ideas and opinions, please.

 

I know. Everything changes though...though I do not expect the US and Israel to change until other things change.

 

I see you are very discourteous when people do as you ask, Man of poor manners will book mark and no the rest was not bookmarked. I thought the question was interesting so spent some time answering, I was though well aware of your type of personality. I did it for myself. I do not waste my time on people such as yourself any more.

So you wanted to keep quiet about what you are up to??????

 

I watched the UN Security Council meeting over this today. Lots of codemnation of Israel, lots of calls for the two-state solution and restraint on both sides. Watching that, I feel as though this is one thing that will never change. It's the same situation and the same talk year after year, decade after decade. Just a big old stalemate and the US too invested in Israel to force any change there, and the rest of the world unable to force the US or Israel into change. Maybe the rest of the world could get more forceful about it, though. That would be a good start.

 

Quite wrong. Israel is an independent nation with its own flag, government, and is recognized as such by the United Nations and many other internationals bodies.. Those who try to take their country by force or intimidation are likely to come to a bad end.

Why encourage poor and uneducated Palestinians to continue their folly be feeding them such foolish stories? Do you want to see more of them dead? They should start to seriously seek out other options - and civilized people should move them in that direction.

 

In fact I'm generally not rude at all, and am quite a gentleman. You began that massive screed with

"You are telling me you are an American and do not know about the American Christian Right even when they are now in your Government. I have heard the lot now.

As you are claiming to know nothing you will get a very sound introduction on this link and the links on it to the nature of the relationship of the Christian Right neo cons and US Government and Israel, something which has now being on for decades and has brought you to where you are".

Is that considered 'good manners' where you come from?

I have no idea what this bit of nonsense means.

 

It will change. It took them 200 years to get the Crusaders out once. However the situation here is very serious and the situation in Gaza is impossible which is why they are prepared to risk being killed. It has been kept the same imo because of the US pretending to be an honest broker for peace. I feel something is changing. I don't mean here in particular but also in the US's position in the world. Although on another level it always seems to be from here and from Israel that other things are springing. The situation in Gaza is untenable. It has to change or they will just go crazy. I listened to NIcky Haley. She clearly thought she was on some comedy show.

and then she went on and said Israel was a 'light unto the world'. But for Gaza is has to change. It is either going to be genocide which I believe the Israelis are perfectly capable of particularly as your Christian Right will be cheering them on - either that or something is going to happen which is going to move Israel.

 

Who do you think should lead the charge against the US and Israel, and would they have your support?