Child Separation "Issue" Is Democrat Scam

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    It is right wring fascism rearing it's ugly head defended by Jeff Sessions using biblical quotes that were used to justify slavery.
     
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    There is "taking children into protective custody" and there is "abusive separation of children from parents". Just think of it. A couple of days ago Sessions and Trump were saying that taking children from parents was the "penalty" parents paid for entering illegally. Zero concern there for the punishment and abuse of the children. It was said as though the children were just some kind of property that was forfeited. After this was pointed out to them they had to think of a new explanation.

    THE KIDS ARE NOT TAKEN AND HELD IN THE MANNER THEY WERE UNDER OBAMA. IT IS NOW CRUEL AND INHUMANE.
     
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    You jump to conclusions. Just saying "taking children from parents was the "penalty" parents paid for entering illegally", does not = Zero concern. Because one does their job, as the law requires, doesn't mean they don't have concern.

    You are confirming the OP's title words.
     
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    <<MOD EDIT - Rule 2 - Insults removed>> Under Obama, carefully kept hidden, illegal aliens' kids were separated and really WERE abused, and kept under awful conditions. Here are some photos of that >> [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I'm major contrast to that, now in the Trump administration, illegal kids are being treated like practically like royalty. Note the difference.

    The current 2018 housing for illegals' kids >>

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    Bedroom - clean and well equipped.

    The Department of Health and Human Services hosted Breitbart News and other media on a tour of a facility in El Cajon, California, on Friday where migrant children are being sheltered after being separated from their parents. The facility at El Cajon, however, is not a “cage.” as was during the Obama years. It is now, a comfortable facility providing lodging, meals, clothing, medical care, education, recreation, counseling, and other services.

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    It is run by a nonprofit organization called Southwest Key as part of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) Program, run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) in the Administration for Children and Familes (ACF).

    The facility is located on a main street in a quiet, suburban neighborhood. It has 65 beds, occupied by boys ages 6 to 17. The rooms are spare, with three to four beds in each; the boys are responsible for cleaning the rooms and making their own beds. There is an outdoor recreation area with picnic tables and a small soccer pitch. There is a classroom area, and English lessons. The goal is “reunification”: letting each child depart with a legal guardian.

    When the children arrive — usually brought by U.S. Border Patrol agents — they are greeted in the “intake” office, where they receive any urgent medical care, are assigned a case worker, and are given food, a shower, and new clothing. They are also given toiletries and lessons in hygiene — literally how to flush a toilet, brush their teeth, and operate the shower, which some of the children may have never seen in their lives.

    The kids have limited access to telephones to call relatives, both in the U.S. and abroad. They receive therapy, both as individuals and in group sessions. They enjoy field trips to local museums, parks, and the zoo, where they can explore the city beyond the shelter. And they also have social activities, including a recent “prom” for which they dressed up.

    The real scandal is how the media have portrayed the shelters. When MSNBC’s Jacob Soboroff toured a similar facility this week in Brownsville, Texas, for example, he referred to the children there as being “incarcerated,” which is only true in the same sense that hospital patients, too, are not permitted to leave, for their safety.

    Southwest Key has operated its facilities — 27 in total, across California, Arizona, and Texas — since 1997, when the U.S. Supreme Court decided in Flores v. Reno that unaccompanied illegal alien minors could not be held in detention facilities. This is not a new problem, even though it took Trump to make the media realize it existed.

    HSS provided a video of the visit:



    Note: the photographs of the tour were provided by HHS after review by officials to ensure the privacy of the children in the shelter. Journalists were not allowed to take their own photos or videos, for the same reason.
     
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    YOU LIE! The truth is exactly the opposite of what you just said. Under Obama, carefully kept hidden, illegal aliens' kids were separated and really WERE abused, and kept under awful conditions. Here are some photos of that >> [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    In major contrast to that, now in the Trump administration, illegal kids are being treated like practically like royalty. Note the difference.

    The current 2018 housing for illegals' kids >>

    [​IMG]

    Bedroom - clean and well equipped.

    [​IMG]

    The Department of Health and Human Services hosted Breitbart News and other media on a tour of a facility in El Cajon, California, on Friday where migrant children are being sheltered after being separated from their parents. The facility at El Cajon, however, is not a “cage.” as was during the Obama years. It is now, a comfortable facility providing lodging, meals, clothing, medical care, education, recreation, counseling, and other services.

    [​IMG]

    Clean, well-equipped kitchen

    It is run by a nonprofit organization called Southwest Key as part of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) Program, run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) in the Administration for Children and Familes (ACF).

    The facility is located on a main street in a quiet, suburban neighborhood. It has 65 beds, occupied by boys ages 6 to 17. The rooms are spare, with three to four beds in each; the boys are responsible for cleaning the rooms and making their own beds. There is an outdoor recreation area with picnic tables and a small soccer pitch. There is a classroom area, and English lessons. The goal is “reunification”: letting each child depart with a legal guardian.

    90% of the children at the shelter arrived at the border without adults; the other 10% were separated from the adults accompanying them. When the children arrive — usually brought by U.S. Border Patrol agents — they are greeted in the “intake” office, where they receive any urgent medical care, are assigned a case worker, and are given food, a shower, and new clothing. They are also given toiletries and lessons in hygiene — literally how to flush a toilet, brush their teeth, and operate the shower, which some of the children may have never seen in their lives.

    Once the children arrive — usually brought by U.S. Border Patrol agents — they are greeted in the “intake” office, where they receive any urgent medical care, are assigned a case worker, and are given food, a shower, and new clothing. They are also given toiletries and lessons in hygiene — literally how to flush a toilet, brush their teeth, and operate the shower, which some of the children may have never seen in their lives.

    The kids have limited access to telephones to call relatives, both in the U.S. and abroad. They receive therapy, both as individuals and in group sessions. They enjoy field trips to local museums, parks, and the zoo, where they can explore the city beyond the shelter. And they also have social activities, including a recent “prom” for which they dressed up.

    The real scandal is how the media have portrayed the shelters. When MSNBC’s Jacob Soboroff toured a similar facility this week in Brownsville, Texas, for example, he referred to the children there as being “incarcerated,” which is only true in the same sense that hospital patients, too, are not permitted to leave, for their safety.

    Southwest Key has operated its facilities — 27 in total, across California, Arizona, and Texas — since 1997, when the U.S. Supreme Court decided in Flores v. Reno that unaccompanied illegal alien minors could not be held in detention facilities. This is not a new problem, even though it took Trump to make the media realize it existed.

    HSS provided a video of the visit:



    Note: the photographs of the tour were provided by HHS after review by officials to ensure the privacy of the children in the shelter. Journalists were not allowed to take their own photos or videos, for the same reason.
     
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    I don't know who you're trying to fool, but yes, the government is scrambling to set these facilities up wherever and however they can now. This isn't a secret, and it isn't spin either.

    Trump has used the MS-13 dog whistle consistantly since the very beginning.
     
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    It's still the fault of conservatives. You guys are the ones who want to lock people up for victimless crimes, and you're the reason America has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
     
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    That model facility looks decent, doesn't it. I'm sure it's not being used as deflection from anything.Here's another one which brings to mind your words:

    "..carefully kept hidden, illegal aliens' kids were separated and really WERE abused, and kept under awful conditions."

    https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1008481247344152577
     
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    Dont come here and violate our laws. You will not be in a detention center or separated from your children. If you do come here and violate our laws, then that onus is on the parent who decided to become a criminal....as usual the left refuses to blame the people that actually are causing the problem and instead blame everything else.
     
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    So what you are saying is that Obama and his team were locking children up in jail cells with their parents, Right?
     
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    The Conservatives aren't in Control of Chicago.....that's 70 years of Demos running things and locking people up for victimless crimes. Just a suggestion.....don't let go of the steering wheel on the sit-n-spin.
     
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    You know whats worse, encouraging parents to bring their kids with them on the 1,000 mile trip to do something illegal that will cause them to be separated from their kids. Not only at the border, but along the way by either gangs who will rape or enslave their kids. 80% of women and kids are raped during their voyage through Mexico. The very big possibility of their kids dying along the way.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
    Its funny that the libs complain about kids maybe living in tents when they get here, but yet what do you think they lived in on their trip to cross the border?
     
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    Since none of the Japanese Americans in question were criminals, you don't have much of a point.
     
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    Of course this was started by the Leftness along with some Never Trumpers.


    MSNBC Analysts: Trump is Creating ‘Concentration Camps’ for Immigrant Children.....

    On Friday’s “MSNBC Live with Stephanie Ruhle,” former Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele and former Obama 2012 deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter compared the Trump administration’s detention centers for illegal immigrant children to Nazi concentration camps. Steele also ominously warned viewers that their “kids could be next” to be placed in such concentration camps.

    The segment in question was caught and transcribed by NewsBusters [emphasis mine]:


    In reality, the illegal alien detention centers do not resemble Nazi concentration camps at all. In fact, when reporters from CNN toured one such facility for children located in Texas, instead of finding barbed wire fences or prisoners being worked to death, gassed, or shot in the back of the head, they discovered kids watching soccer, playing video games on big flat-screen TVs, and participating in tai chi classes:

    CNN also reported that kids are not kept in the detention center indefinitely. In fact, they usually stay there for only about two months until federal immigration officials either reunite the children with their real parents or other relatives in the United States or deport the kids back to their home countries.

    As an alternative, perhaps Steele, Cutter, et al. would prefer if we go back to putting illegal immigrant children in cages and having them sleep on the floor? But then again, what kind of monster would do such a thing?....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chris...tration-camps-for-immigrant-children-n2491229

    Where was all the outrage and the lefts poutage under their Special Man? Just why weren't they crying and whining about.....the Children.

    Why were they allowing their Special Man to take away Children from their Parents. Why didn't they say anything about BO the Peeps Zero Policy that was never mentioned?
     
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    The adults certainly could be terrorists, but implying he’s calling 4 yr olds terrorists? Cmon. And they’ve had to scramble because of the sheer volume of those trying to get in to exploit the system. And they’ve been met with policy to prevent it. I know it hurts when people can’t freely cross our border then disappear into society then start breeding. It’s such a horrible thing we’re forcing on these poor people....to respect our borders and sovereignty. What happens if an American family tried to illegally enter Mexico? Won’t be met with kindness and compassion bud.
     
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    Well whaddya knows.....a Demo who sets out Obama and his team.



    Obama administration tried to keep ‘quiet’ how many children illegally crossed border....


    Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said the Obama administration attempted to keep “quiet” about how many unaccompanied minors were crossing the border and that children were being held in detention centers.

    “There were large numbers of people coming in,” Cuellar said in an interview with CNN on Saturday. “The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet.”

    According to the Washington Post, nearly 70,000 unaccompanied minors were apprehended at the border in 2014.

    DHS officials verified Friday that 1,995 minors were taken away from accompanying adults while attempting to enter the U.S. between ports of entry between April 19 and May 31.

    Minors who are split from their families as a result of the zero-tolerance policy will be housed by Health and Human Services.
    But Cuellar pointed out that not all children crossing the border are being separated because some come alone.

    “It’s not a matter that every single child we have in those centers are being separated because some of them are coming in alone,” Cuellar said.

    He also pointed to immigrants bringing children across the border who are not their blood relatives in order to take advantage of U.S. immigration loopholes, which have since been rectified by Trump's zero-tolerance policy.


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...crossed-border


    70K just in 2014.....and as usual. The Peep and his team was playing, mums the word. Just more of that Slim Shady by the Lefts Special Man.
     
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    For hyper-partisan ideologues whose knee-jerk distortions are fanatically political, that well may be the fake spin they swallow as a dogmatic tenet of Trump worship.

    To most Americans - including a broad swath of the public that includes the likes of far-right evangelical Franklin Graham and former first lady Barbara Bush - Trump's ordering the bureaucrats to seize children away from parents in the name of the State is immoral and unAmerican. Their messiah's lie that his disgusting policy is attributable to "Democrat[ic]!" laws has been exposed. Just as his phony "Spygate!" nonsense that had his true believers all wee wee'd up has fizzled, his desperate and cowardly attempt to blame others for his gross violation of decency has collapsed.

    Once again, he is crapping on American values, and Americans are spanking him for doing so.

    Bad Trump! Bad boy!

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    Yes for the Hyper Partisan Ideologues which you are part of.


    Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said the Obama administration attempted to keep “quiet” about how many unaccompanied minors were crossing the border and that children were being held in detention centers.

    “There were large numbers of people coming in,” Cuellar said in an interview with CNN on Saturday. “The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet.”

    According to the Washington Post, nearly 70,000 unaccompanied minors were apprehended at the border in 2014.

    He also pointed to immigrants bringing children across the border who are not their blood relatives in order to take advantage of U.S. immigration loopholes, which have since been rectified by Trump's zero-tolerance policy.


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...crossed-border


    Looks like one of your Demos put that spin of yours in check even before you tried to utter and stutter like BO the Peep.

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    Hmm, I think you and the OP have it on something here. Using the issue to score political points and attempt to rack up votes. Sure, even if the policy was started under Obama and the holding areas built under him. That's politics. Remember those older Democrats who was around to defend Bill Clinton to the hilt were willing to throw him under the bus if it mean the Dems could score political point on Stormy Davis and Trump. Pure politics.

    No arrest if illegals are caught and they are with children, that is what it boils down to. If those illegals really wanted to keep their family together, then don't cross the border illegally. It's their decision.
     
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    When you cross the border illegally you have committed a crime. What part of "illegally" do you not understand?
     
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    The Best part was CNN caught a Demo early on Saturday morning giving up the truth. Then pointed out about those kids brought in by others who aren't related to them.

    See what happens when you catch a Demo before he has some coffee. :laughing:
     
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    You call bullshit on what exactly? You make it sound like we have an open border and people are free to cross if they go directly to customs and so for asylum. I called BS on that and as evidence I offer the recent mass assault on or border by so called asylum seekers that were turned away at the border.
     
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    Have you seen American children kept in cages in conditions so BAD that journalists are NOT ALLOWED to take photographs?



    IS THAT the American "FOSTER " system?

    Is that PRO-"LIFE" ?


     

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