After Helsinki: Sh**storm Fall Out for Trump in the US

And it was the Downing Street Memo that showed the US to be making up facts to suit the narrative for war.

 

I certainly do not defend the well-known failure of Clinton when he had the golden opportunity to kill Osama!

But otherwise you're just starving me seriously with your missing knowledge ...

I certainly do not defend the well-known failure of Clinton when he had the golden opportunity to kill Osama!

Bush had no desire to go into Iraq and before 9/11 it wa sno topic? Seriously?

Then wake up and read the truth...

Decision on the regime crash in Iraq .... undenyable F A C T S :

As elected US President (November 2000), George W. Bush joined the PNAC constituency in his administration: Donald Rumsfeld became Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz his Deputy, Richard Armitage Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Perle Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee. On January 30, 2001, the National Security Council (NSC) first discussed regime change in Iraq. According to former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill, this goal was clear, only the way had been discussed. In February, Bush met with Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair and discussed primarily Iraq's future policy with him. On February 16, both governments bombed some outskirts of Baghdad beyond the no-fly zones, signaling an aggressive stance against Saddam Hussein's regime.
In April 2001, security advisor Paul Wolfowitz demanded in the Cabinet to turn to Iraq, which must have supported the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. This he contradicted the anti-terrorist specialist Richard Clarke, priority is to fight al-Qaeda.
By July 2001, the Department of Defense had devised plans for possible military intervention in Iraq, which promised Rumsfeld "a significantly improved position in the region and elsewhere" for the US. However, initially favored plans to support exile Iraqi with weapons.
As a result of the terror attacks on 9/11, Rumsfeld ordered his assistant to quickly obtain information on whether to beat Saddam Hussein, not just Osama bin Laden, at the same time. They should collect everything, including things that are not related to the event. Richard Perle advised Bush to make sure he blamed states that host terrorists. This was followed by Bush in his famous evening speech.
The next day, Bush's Cabinet discussed the reaction. A swiftly launched war in Afghanistan against the Taliban regime that supported Al Qaeda was a consensus. Rumsfeld demanded at the same time to attack Iraq and proclaim this war aim in public so as to oblige allied states to do so. Powell contradicted that: The US population is the first to expect an effective attack on al-Qaeda. Bush then included the Iraq war in his medium-term planning.

Note: And out of nowhere, Iraq is suddenly a topic as you say? Come on ... that can not be serious!

In November 2001, he had the Defense Department's contingency plans updated for an attack on Iraq. On November 27, Rumsfeld ordered General Tommy Franks to prepare for a quick "beheading" of Iraq so that his government would not have time to move troops. A unilateral approach should be noted as a possible option. In order to create a war occasion, Rumsfeld wanted to demand new inspections. Wolfowitz warned that one should not only emphasize Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, but also describe in detail the barbaric dictatorship of Saddam Hussein by re-distributing material from the early 1990s. On December 18, the US State Department internally pointed out that the US could only win the Germans and French for an Iraq war if they prove links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, exhaust all diplomatic means for disarming Iraq and a UN mandate would reach for the attack.

And then the fun began with the lies fairy tales!

 

Ehm ... sorry, forgot this Left and Libaral blaming BS in this issue ... it is coming from all political sides this time!

 

Oh suddenly you like what republicans say.....hmmmm, only when it fits your narrative apparently.

Now they are wise and should be listened to huh?

lol

Seems to me that these guys you spend days criticizing for being liars and the scum of the earth are people you'd want to discount. If they are saying Trump is wrong well then he is probably right since they lie all the time.

You're funny.

 

Actually, I do like Jews.. I just don't like Bibi or the Likkud.

Securing the Northern Border Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by: striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan. paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces. striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper. Israel also can take this opportunity to remind the world of the nature of the Syrian regime.

http://www.dougfeith.com/docs/Clean_Break.pdf

 

Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq, including such measures as: visiting Jordan as the first official state visit, even before a visit to the United States, of the new Netanyahu government; supporting King Hussein by providing him with some tangible security measures to protect his regime against Syrian subversion; encouraging — through influence in the U.S. business community — investment in Jordan to structurally shift Jordan’s economy away from dependence on Iraq; and diverting Syria’s attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon.

http://www.dougfeith.com/docs/Clean_Break.pdf

 

You obviously don't know this but we have contingency plans to go to war with everyone.

We have people hired just to plan this stuff out.

We have a detailed plan to invade Canada that is constantly being updated.

You are seriously making me spill my coffee from laughing so hard.

 

Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world.

That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.

continued

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5527.htm

 

Israel has no plans to expand after getting their asses kicked the last time.

They have effectively retreated within which is why they require the support of the US.

They tried being a player in the region and while it worked out in the beginning it didn't end well at all.

They are not the driving force you think they are, rather the opposite I think.

 

The 1998 PNAC letter to president Clinton came out of a dual citizen think tank NOT any government contingency planning. Don't you know the difference?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5527.htm

 

Do you know the difference between contingency plans and aggressive lobbying?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5527.htm

 

Of course and that's what they are limited to.

They can deliver one hell of a right hook but they can't survive 15 rounds and they know this.

Taking out Saddam just leaves them with another Saddam and still a bunch of pissed off Arabs. It does nothing to help their overall cause.

They aren't stupid and neither are we.

We aren't going to topple a regime just to appease them knowing full well it will just be replaced with another exactly the same.

And had Bush been planning this he would have been prepping the people during his campaign for it, he never even hinted towards anything like this.

Hell, Cheney didn't even want to be VP, he turned down Bush three times so he obviously had no sinister plan....I will give you Rumsfeld however.....he may have been concocting something but certainly not Bush.

 

Putin threw several trumps into the deck Trump.
Publicly, Vladimir Putin presented his colleague with a soccer ball. But when communicating with one's eye to the eye Putin made a gift, the value of which can not be overestimated. Personally for Donald Trump. I mean this quote from a joint press conference:

"A well-known case of Hermitage Capital firm of Mr. Browder. According to our investigation, a group of persons, Mr. Browder's business partners, illegally earned more than $ 1.5 billion in Russia, did not pay taxes either in Russia or in the United States, but transferred these money to the United States - $ 400 million was sent to the election campaign of Mrs. Clinton. These are official data, which in their reports are present. 400 million sent. But this is their business, perhaps they did it legally, but the money was received illegally. We have reason to believe that some members of the intelligence services of the United States have accompanied these illegal transactions."

Of course, this is the visible part of the iceberg, which the leaders agreed to voice.

If Donald Trump correctly disposes of the documents that Vladimir Putin privately passed to him, then his political rivals will suffer such a blow, from which they no will recover soon. Democrats will be defeated, power in Congress will pass to Republicans - supporters of the incumbent president, and his hands in foreign policy will automatically untie.

In this case, it will be possible to tear out the sting of the "deep state". The path to the throne will be open, and it will be relatively easy to take it a second time.

As Putin said, the ball is on Donald Trump side.

In any case, the globalist press simply shakes. Either from fear, or from confusion, or from gloomy forebodings.

I have no illusions - there is no victory of Russia, no defeat of the United States, as the anti-Tramp lobby in the US and anti-Tramp media are trying to present throughout the western world. Putin did not outplay Trump, he only showed that normal relations between our countries are much more useful than confrontation.

 

"Either Donald Trump is flat-out an agent of Russian interests—maybe witting, maybe unwitting, from fear of blackmail, in hope of future deals, out of manly respect for Vladimir Putin, out of gratitude for Russia’s help during the election, out of pathetic inability to see beyond his 306 electoral votes. Whatever the exact mixture of motives might be, it doesn’t really matter.

Or he is so profoundly ignorant, insecure, and narcissistic that he did not realize that, at every step, he was advancing the line that Putin hoped he would advance, and the line that the American intelligence, defense, and law-enforcement agencies most dreaded."

 

The OP is on the wrong board and does not comply with forum rules.

 

Start a thread on this.

 

Ehm ... I'm German and whether Democrat or Republican interests me as much ... as it cares you from which political party Merkel is in my country.

But a tricky nice try to twist the whole thing and turn the spear over because now that the Republicans are beating Trump too and we take note of that, the lefties are the stupid ones again?

Can you forget, unfortunately, because this time you do not have the standard answer "these evil lefties etc." ...

 

Lol ... and what is your reason for writing such nonsense?

 

IOW, the intelligence services are incompetent and unreliable.

 

You are forgetting that real conservatives, like me, hate most of our current republicans.

If they are complaining about Trump is just exposes them as the RINOs they actually are.

 

Establishment Republicans are Virtual Democrats.

 

Well ... in my country I count as a conservative camp, but I've learned that a conservative is different from us here as a Conservative in the US.

Anyway, the political system is certainly a swamp, but I prefer this swamp, rather than any populist who purposely only says what many people want to hear, but otherwise does not give a damn about the people in reality and in the end real Lords of lies are!

 

Well that would be why we vote them out.

Or at least have the option to.

 

If Trump is afforded no allowance to operate within the zone of diplomacy when meeting foreign leaders, the USA should declare hot war on Russia today, win or lose, live or die.

Kill enough of them and the meddling will stop. Kill too few and it's no longer an issue.

Gayle King, CBS This Morning:

"So what are you going to do about it?" -- @GayleKing

https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1019184911494807554

SenBen Sasse has only cheap, worthless hot air.

 

Well ... of course you can always do worse than before.

But you already had only the choice between plague and cholera at the election.