Minimum Wage

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by God & Country, Sep 8, 2018.

  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Well then we better fire all our troops then because taxation is theft. Patriotism!
     
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    The way workers rights and benefits have been slowly eroded over the years??? No thanks.
     
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    When you have a minimum wage, you are using force on employers. I believe in voluntary, free trade. An employer and employee need to negotatiate a wage that they both agree on regardless if it meets the standards of an arbitrary “living wage.”
     
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    Lets eliminate our military. I agree. What are they protecting? We are being invaded from the south, in fact all over the world. If the military cannot defend our borders, why have them? They are nothing but an expense if you do not put them on our borders with a shoot to kill all invaders, armed or not.

    And lets move to a voluntary tax system. Pay taxes and designate what they are to be used for to the government. We can do away with the IRS. Your tax rates are over 80% to cover all government direct taxes, Social security (12.4% alone), government directives for all rules and regulations, income tax, state tax, property tax, local tax, force auto insurance etc. And when you buy something, you are paying the ACCUMULATED taxes of all the people and company taxes that are charged to them. Then there is inflation, that is a terrible sneaky tax. What you could buy for a dollar in 1950 now costs 11.80. Think about how big of a tax that is. The federal tax and all taxes have not been indexed for inflation. So you buy a home for $7,000 in 1958, now sells for $374,000-500,000. You pay more tax on the sale now, than you paid for the house originally. How does inflation work? The government simply prints more money than they earn.
     
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    not2serious Well-Known Member

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    The workers rights have increased over the years, not decreased. What you are saying is NO THANKS to being RESPOSIBLE for your own self and family. It is easier to be a leach than earn you way? Nobody's fault but your own.
     
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    But that would make the liberals and communist/socialist to EARN their own way, not steal it from others through the legal system. Why, that would send them straight into their own hell if they actually had to be valuable to society.
     
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    Who’s forcing who to do what? Please use specific examples and documented quotes from those capable of doing whatever it is you’re saying.

    Everyone should be free to fail. It’s not punishment. It’s choosing NOT to be rewarded. Baring medical or mental issues any able bodied person stuck on minimum wage long into adulthood, have made MANY choices that put them exactly where they are.

    No excuses.
     
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    The planet has far too many human inhabitants now, they greatly contribute to pollution, species extinction, global climate change , and natural resource depletion. There is no moral justification for the subsidizing of those that cannot fend for themselves, it is not natures way.

    Those that are not able or willing to meet the challenge of satisfying their own needs should be left in the wilderness to perish, just as every other species in nature.
     
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    The minimum wage should be at least $15. Costco has gotten away with a near-$15 minimum wage just fine, no tax cuts involved btw. There would be an increased price for goods, but it would be balanced out by the fact more individuals would be able to afford those premiums with a livable wage. Time to kill the $7.35 an hour BS.
     
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    So what happens when companies start charging more for goods and services or start making cut backs to hiring and cutting people’s hours to offset the cost of paying employees this $15 an hour? Happens everytime there is a boost to the minimum wage. I have watched that happen for decades. When I was growing up minimum wage jobs were filled mostly by high school and college kids in an effort to gain job experience. A minimum wage job is supposed to be a starting point, not a carrier goal. Also $15 an hour nationally doesn’t take into account the vast differences in costs of living throughout the US from state to state, city to city, or town to town. $15 an hour in parts of Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and some other states would look sort of okay. Laughable in LA and New York and other large cities and states with very high costs of living.
     
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    So lets cancel the government and do thing Somala style.
     
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    Why not $30.00/hr.?

    Why not $100.00?
     
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    So when the cost of living goes up, food stamps buy less food and Social Security buys less goods.

    IOW - You're advocating making to poor even poorer.
     
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    Complaining that the state needs to step into salary negotiations is what people who aren't worth the air they breath might enjoy, but you're not talking about anything more than your own inability to command a higher salary.
     
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    not today, but when inflation demand it, I would

    the problem with the min wage is it has not kept up with inflation
     
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    WE are there already. Hillary was above the law, lots of Washington is above the law.
    Lets set the size of the government at what citizens are willing to pay voluntarily.
     
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    Yes, we are exactly like Somalia. If you travel to Somalia it will be exactly like being in the US and you won't be able to tell the difference.
     
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    Inflation is a government tax, you are aware of that right? So the government is ripping these people off, not the employers. How about letting the businesses decide on how much you are worth. If you have done drugs, robbed people or been in jail, had a four kids by four different daddys, I think you should get paid what you are worth. Life does NOT owe you a living, you EARN a living.
     
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    Yes, Chicago or St Louis on a weekend is already there. See what criminal government does, and Trump is trying to drain the swamp of criminal government.
     
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    inflation helps society, when you buy a house for example, but it only helps if wages keep up
     
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    The GDP per capita in Somalia is $400. Chicago and St Louis are like that too. Remember to send food and water to these cities. Everyone there are starving!
     
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    What would you say to those of us who don't care what the minimum wage is because when we negotiate our salaries, we aren't complaining about inflation?
     
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    some righties want a system like China, us all working in factories, long hours for low pay
     
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    Not a fan of quantitative easing as such a plan would inevitably mean long term.

    It's best the US economy doesn't become a 3rd world one regardless of if you believe in Santa or not.
     
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    min wage is just the lowest you can pay someone, I would hope corps pay people what they are worth, but not all corps would, thus why we have a min wage
     

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