How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Biologically, you are correct. A fetus is a fetus.

Why "especially if an exception is made for rape?"

Punished by the government?

I CAN'T force them to do anything. Just like I can't force someone to not commit murder.

This doesn't mean that it isn't a life.

Again, its not JUST HER body!

 

AGAIN, and for the last time...if you don't get this that's on you.:

IF abortion is banned and women are forced to gestate and an exception is made for women who were raped it is quite clear that women who have consensual sex are the targets.

It is quite clear that Anti-Choicers don't REALLY think the fetus is all that "precious" so it is NOT the fetus they care about but punishing women for having consensual sex.


Again, if you don't understand that is entirely on you and I will not respond again...

AGAIN, whose body is it if it isn't hers?

Yours? The Big Government's?

 

ACHOOO!


This dusty old thread that went no where has been hauled out again ??? Ya that old "abortion debate" sure got solved ….

 

Why do think that we "don't really think the fetus is all that precious?"

It is 100% HER body, but are you saying that there isn't another body inside of her?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
It is quite clear that Anti-Choicers don't REALLY think the fetus is all that "precious" so it is NOT the fetus they care about but punishing women for having consensual sex.

If an Anti-Choicer makes an exception to abortion when the fetus is due to rape they OBVIOUSLY do not think that fetus is all that precious.

Yes, there's another "body" inside her if she's pregnant...So what ?? Doesn't matter if there's another body, a bag of gold coins, a liver, a heart, a cancerous tumor.....they are all HERS.




Here's the questions you didn't answer:

AGAIN, whose body is it if it isn't hers?

Yours? The Big Government's?

What crime do pregnant women commit that they should lose the right to their own bodies?

That is slavery, not having the right to your own body....who else should be punished this way???

 

I thought that you were saying that we think that ALL fetus's are not all that precious. Of course, some also think that rape fetus's are precious and make no exception for abortion.

You liken a fetus to "a bag of gold coins?" Surely you can't be serious.

No to both.

No such crime exists.

For the MILLIONTH time, I don't see it as a body rights issue.

 

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How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

By dealing with Abortion when it actually becomes something that has bearing on your personal life. Outside this it is not your issue to deal with.

If you really want your opinions to come into play then find the woman and convince her or offer to buy her kid after paying for the birth and pain and suffering compensation.

 

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At least those aren't the two-faced hypocrits like the ones who make exception for rape.

Surely you can't be serious because I never did "liken" a fetus to a bag of gold....

you even got that point wrong, do you do that deliberately when you can't address the point?

You are correct. A woman's body is not yours or the government's or anyone else's, just hers.

Again you are correct. ..so women should not be punished for it.

But that is exactly what it is....an attempt to ban abortion is an attempt to take away women's right to their own body.

That is exactly what it does....punishes women for the "crime" of getting pregnant...

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ty-of-abortion.538174/page-98#post-1069621206

 

Then explain this:

So we agree on something! What about that!

I don't see it that way.

 

Is there currently a point in time which a woman should/could be charged, convicted, and incarcerated for having an abortion?

 

In what country?

 

The U.S., of course. I have no voice in the laws of other countries, and simply submit to their laws when I visit them.

 

How did you expect me to know your country?

 

The question wasn't directed to you, but since you responded, what would the answer be in 'your' country?

 

Well you didn't quote anyone's post, so your question seemed to be directed to everyone. How did you expect ANYONE to know which country you were referring to?

In Australia, only one state has abortion. The rest only have it for special circumstances. As I understand, the US has abortion up until late term. So to answer you question, I'm guessing that a woman "should/could be charged, convicted, and incarcerated" for having a late term abortion for no acceptable reason.

 

That's a major problem with internet forums. I could care less what citizens of another country have to say about how U.S. government works, nor do I have any issue with how citizens of other countries allow their governments to work, as long as each of our governments can work out fair trade agreements and avoid military conflict between us.
Perhaps the forum should require a citizenship identity of each member and we could allow/disallow viewing/responding to posts based on that information.

It looks, to me, the abortion debate is unlikely to ever be resolved finally. Personally, I cannot think of a universally encompassing answer that I could find agreeable/acceptable.

 

Explain my EXAMPLES ? """ Doesn't matter if there's another body, a bag of gold coins, a liver, a heart, a cancerous tumor.....they are all HERS.""

My point was anything inside her is hers....

So what if I "likened" a fetus to a bag of coins or her liver, they are still HERS.

Yet you just agreed with :
"""You are correct. A woman's body is not yours or the government's or anyone else's, just hers.

Again you are correct. ..so women should not be punished for it.""""


I see it that way, being forced to gestate because you had sex IS being punished for having sex and getting pregnant.....how else can one look at it ?

 

I thought we solved this. people who don't like abortions don't have any.

 

Nope the central issue is what homicides we believe are permissible in our society!

 

So should we treat all homicides this way? Don’t like murder? Don’t commit one, but don’t tell others they can’t!

 

But being conceived is a crime? Punishable by death? This makes sense to you? Seriously

 

no one said anything about non-crimes. just don't get an abortion if you don't want one. unless you want to continue down this road until you get charged with murder for wasting your loads.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
There IS one answer that should have put the debate to rest.

The answer is , women have the right to their own body just like everyone else and should not lose that right because they became pregnant.

Becoming pregnant is not a crime and shouldn't be treated like it is.

I never said that so why would it make sense to me?


It's so easy to make stuff up when you haven't anything else....

 

Does that mean that dropping a child off a building is no different to dropping a bag of coins off a building? If there IS a difference, then WHY is there a difference? They both belong to her don't they!

As nature.