Social Security and Medicare are . . . ENTITLEMENTS???

So, get the politicians to reform them. Pay for them, instead of borrowing.

 

I want them to...I hear McConnell, Ryan et al talking about it...they often get meet with power hungry dems that tell people the GOP wants to steal your healthcare and let old folks die in the street...start watching the ads they are doing it now. Shameful the way they play on emotion instead of dealing with the reality

 

Darwin and Sen. McCarthy would have applauded your rhetoric. Jesus . . . not so much.

When it becomes necessary to repair a weakened structure, does it make any sense to reinforce the strongest components and neglect the weakest? Furthermore, if money IS the source of our strength, is it the purpose of the strong in society to assist the weak, or to ignore, exploit or subdue them?

Do soldiers on the battlefield leave their wounded behind??? . . . Does your "survival of the fittest" perspective allow exception for babies and young children?

 

Why do you hate nature?

 

I don't. . . . Unlike MOST "conservatives" (which is a literal misnomer), I support the EPA.

 

You've heard McConnel and Ryan talk about funding for those specific entitlements?
I'd be interested in reading those quotes. Got some links?

I think I posted a link, in this very thread of McConnel saying he wants to reduce those programs.

 

So is disgust, and that is the prime emotion on the right. Disgust at people who have no common sense, who do not appreciate or love their country, people so small minded they are unaware of anyone having value but themselves.
DISGUST.

Fear? It's what will eventually be their common denominator if they are unable to control themselves.

 

You can argue whether the emotion driving Republicans is fear or disgust or whatever

But we both understand that emotion IS what drives Republicans...not issues that matter to America like healthcare and a decent retirement

 

Sadly true; you can't teach your children values you don't have.

 

It's true that we don't expect someone else to pay for our healthcare and retirement, we prefer to do that ourselves, and would be deeply ashamed to burden others with what is rightfully our responsibility. I can tell that this thought doesn't deter you at all, probably doesn't even occur to you at all. You are just waiting for America to cough up what is rightfully yours, because- well, you are here and breathing, and nothing more should be expected of you.

Too bad JFK isn't around so you could tell him what you expect your country to do for you.

 

You would care if you get something like cancer and your insurance company drops you because your to much a risk.
And then you can't get any other insurance because of the pre existing condition.
And you lose all your retirement, before you retire to pay for your medical expenses.
And then you lose your house to pay your medical bills.
Then you will need to go on welfare and live in a gov't subsidized housing. And get food stamps to eat.
All because for profit health insurance didn't want to insure you anymore.

So, what we can do for our country, is to help each person who gets a serious illness from going onto gov't sustained living for the rest of their lives.

 

Without Obamacare...that's gonna be the reality...just like it was before Obamacare

Vote people.

McCain isn't around to stop this any more.

It's on US

 

And if you manage your affairs properly in the first place instead of figuring on somebody saving your sorry butt later if you don't you do not have a problem.
I was unable to get insurance for 10 years because, when I was in a bad time, was broke and had no insurance- I was diagnosed with cancer. Have an 8" scar across my back form the surgery- and I paid all my medical bills. There are exactly the same number of people who need to be cared for as there are people to do it. IF you take care of ONE person (yourself) you have done your share. IF everyone did that, nobody would be uncared for. Why don't they? Because somebody else will pay....

You promote weakness and dependence. I despise weakness and dependence, I know they rob the person of self respect, of pride, and destroy their lives.
I have and always will help good people in need- if they are the kind that would do the same for others if they could. I do not help those who will not help themselves. For that matter- I don't approve of government helping them either. That is called enabling. Obviously, you think that is a good thing. You are wrong if you do.

 

Kudos to you.
Not everyone is you.

 

Thought the question was how to pay, and not borrow?

 

They have no clue what they are talking about. Echo chamber.

 

You should write your own epitaph NOW, because after you die, nobody will care enough to write it for you. Might I suggest: "I took care of myself. . . . I didn't need ANYBODY."

Who are YOU to decide who is good enough to deserve assistance? . . . Not EVERY deserving individual in need is blessed with his own "guardian angel". IF you are a Christian, I advise you to read "the parable of the sheep and the goats" in Matthew 25, before it is too late.

 

the very first post in this threat, where the OP says the gop wants to cut these programs, McConnell et al are talking about reform

 

The government managed my affairs beginning in 1963 when I started paying, under penalty of US law, into the Social Security System.

Now, under law, I'm getting back the $ the law says I'm entitled to.

 

Not wise. You should have invested and got a much better return on your money, and you also wouldn’t be dependent on the Govt to live.

 

The OP

Your 1st post

Not seeing anything about any reform. And reform means cuts. While we give corps and 1%ers a tax cut. And then make the poor and elderly pay for them.

 

Read the actual article linked in the post, not just the headline either, but the quotes from the senator. It’s a perfect example of the gop talking reform and the left claiming the gop wants to steal your Medicare/SS...fearmongering so nothing gets done to fix the unsubstaibable programs

Additionally, nobody has suggested or cut payroll taxes that go to SS and Medicare. The rich pay overwhelmkg the most in taxes. We need more people paying taxes not relying on just the few.

 

That is true. However it's also true that most people are what they have made themselves to be, and the position they are in is usually the result of their own choices.
Accepting that is called personal responsibility- and it's educational. When you find that the consequences of your actions fall on you instead of requiring others to protect you, you learn to make better choices. So long as someone else will or can be forced to cover for you, most people don't learn a damn thing except that someone will try and save them from themselves, so there is no need to worry about it.

 

Who are you to assume you deserve the assistance of others, taken without their consent?
And you make the assumption that I don't help others- which would be totally wrong. However, I select the causes I find worthy; I do not contribute to those who refuse to try to help themselves. I'm respected as a generous and caring person, but I help those who deserve help. And as it's my money- I have the right to decide when and who that will happen. If you wish to help people who hate to work buy drugs, I guess that is your right too.

The exception is taxation, where a portion of the taxes I pay will go to people who are drug addicts and bums who live off society, taking as much free stuff as possible and losing any hope of self-respect in the process. I do resent that, and given that my taxes are higher than the average person's income, that is unfortunately substantial.

When I die- it will be with the knowledge that the world is better for my having been here. I'm not interested in buying the respect of others who want something from me- I'm interested in being able to respect myself, at all times. You should try it.

 

Try enforcing laws like they do in the Drug War...They'd be gone fast...But the GOP and Dems will drag their feet on the issue like they have the last 45 years.,