Blue Wave, meet the Red Undertow — which might leave Dems lost at sea

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I was't including Mexico as a modern country since most see it as a Developing nation, but yes, i think they will. If you are sick they will put you in a hospital until you are better and then deport you. Here you only get stabilized then it's out you go.

    Are you sick and have no health care here? I'd recommend Britain as I think they actually allow that openly.
     
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    That is awesome...now you don't even know what is the truth and what is a lie.

    Is BETO up or is he down....don't know. Don't know what to believe.

    Thanks Trump.
     
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    The GOP Red Tide...Has left America smelling like a gulf coast beach on a hot August day.
     
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    He is down by 9 with RCP. Worse with Texas polls.....down by double digits and still falling.
     
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    Where did RCP have HRC

    I don't have faith in polls anymore.
     
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    Definitely the deliberate attempt to frame Kavanaugh for sexual assault -- by what were an outright crazy person and a blatant Dem Party political operative, and a total skank of a con artist -- amounted to politically motivated reputation rape based on the new leftist principle of 'The Accusation IS the Evidence' seriously damaged leftist chances in this mid term election cycle while simultaneously motivating the outraged Right of Center to go and vote no matter what. Big, HUGE, mistake by the Left's increasingly insane and ideologically radicalized leadership.
     
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    Indeed; and in Texas, the Dem Party candidate, Beto, is massively outspending Cruz with Hollywood celebrity delivered funding and yet Cruz is EASILY crushing Beto in all recent polling. But then again Texas is not California, despite California hemorrhaging fed-up to the hilt exiles to Texas.
     
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    You mean with the same polling companies that insisted that there would be a Hillary Clinton landslide essentially now working for the DNC asking -- as is always the case -- a group heavy weighted with Dem Party voters what they think of Trump and getting the standard leftist answer that Trump stinks? Nice!
     
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    "If you like your current Health Care plan and M.D. then you can keep them, period," Obama knowingly lied to this nation about that around 78 documented times. 'nuff said.
     
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    Yeah I don't put much into polls either. Now the reporting about Blacks, Latinos, Asians, doubling their support of Trump and Repubs is a different story.

    As is Trump gaining a coalition of Native Americans, and more Blue Dog Demos supporting him. Of course there is the # Walkaway too.

    The Lame Stream has reported it. Just not to much.
     
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    I got to keep my MD and my existing health plan, so he didn't lie to me.
     
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    As it is presently a legislative issue, we can take that up with Congress. The Democrats have not changed their position from a dictatorial health system, which is simply unacceptable no matter how many benefits it gives. Republicans on the other hand, have failed to come up with an adequate solution to a national health system that respects our 'norms'(which get bandied about and to be used/discarded, depending on the situation.)

    My position has been to adapt a health care system likened to Singapore's. a Public/Private system that will enable both sides to get what they want. Government-sponsored health care with the option of opting in or out. If people have the ability to once again make financial decisions suitable for them, rather than letting Washington's plutocrats run our lives I think that suffices for everyone. We want options, not dictates.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Why not simple single payer?. Other counties do it and it seems to work for them

    What you suggest is a good idea too. In any case let us have SOMETHING, The pubs continue to offer a Faith Based System, pray you don''t get sick
     
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    It's almost like Democrats don't know how to spend other people's money responsibility.
     
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    Then they do keep the DNC in debt, and play on that like they don't have any money.
     
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    Problem: The EU has a unique system where you can basically get health care from any one of its member Nations. The dream has been to get across-State-Lines, but the President whitewashed that with an EO, instead of an actual legislative attempt at law. Basically, right now the US system is decentralized while the EU/Single-payer systems are centralized by nature.

    There's also the issue with the various peoples and their living/health conditions. Basically, health care is a scarce resource and when we force everyone to use that scarce resource, that's when costs go up/decisions have to be made. (AKA: So-called rationing which is not a government policy, but a fiscal one.)

    That's why I suggested Singapore's health care system as a win-win for everyone. We get private insurance, people get public insurance and we're all happy.
     
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  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Uh.....nobody's being forced to use anything, that's one of the whole things about health care people don't keep in mind. It doesn't matter how much of it you're given people aren't really going to "take advantage" because nobody wants to get sick in any case. If you're talking about people taking really good care of themselves well duh....that pays off when people don't get sick later in a major way....ounce of prevention saving a pound of cure or suchlike.

    And the Singapore thing is good too. Really beats the pub plan of just letting poor people die in the street as an object lesson to the indolent.
     
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    It isn't going to be a blue wave. It isn't going to be a red wave. The House will go to the Democrats by a few seats. The Senate will grow for the Republicans. Govt will be deadlocked for two years until the Republicans take back the House and hold the Senate. Trump will continue to nominate judges. The Senate will continue to confirm his nominations.
     
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    Turtle McConnell may have just alienated by his arrogant candor, among other Americans, the old, white, less-educated Trumpers in the reddest states where dependence upon federal programs is so vital.

    The radical reallocation of wealth in America under Trumpery is becoming more blatant.

    Americans support helping Americans who have earned help when they need it, not bloating the national debt to further befoul the filthy rich who don't.
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    These folks may be less-educated, but that does not mean they're stupid,
    and the Party of Trumpery needs to stop treating them as if they are.​
     
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    We have a winner! Mexicans deported by the US have to officially re establish Mexican citizenship before they're eligible for ANYTHING. Incuding Mexico's public schools, for "whatabout the children!" ... of Mexico.
     
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    Aaaand now, he's being sued. :;): Beto robo dialed Texas voters. Beto will need every penny of the $38 million he's hording.
     
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    Problem is Singapore has 16 hospitals verses many thousands in the US. It's not that easy to emulate here with the numbers involved.
     
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    But you don't deny he did lie to millions of Americans... Do you?


    Oh.... BTW, tell us about your $2500.00 savings that Obama promised you... I'd like to hear about it.
     
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    I cannot say because I don't personally know anyone who lost their existing health plan or doctor(s). True I didn't save $2500.00 as promised, instead only around $2,100.00 but I think it wasn't a hard and fast number, instead an estimate given. Either way I was satisfied.

    The one's who lost their doctors/plans were most likely inferior plans with shoestring benefits so it's not surprising.
     

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