Democrats won the House, but Trump won the election

ocean515, please try again. Those FL seats are districted so very poorly. And we are not talking about CA.

 

And that's how one Makes America Great Again, with some leftover 9/11 patriot act propaganda farce.

 

It wasn't a Blue Wave nor a Red Tsunami. If anything, it was a very slight Republican sparkle, barely a Republican "win". Dems haven't had majority in the House since, what, 2010? It was to be expected, really.

These 2 years until 2020 will be interesting to see when we see everything from Kanye West to Ben Shapiro running. Dems have nothing other than a slowly dying and withering old woman with syphilis.

 

The left just can't seem to grasp why the Constitution was written the way it was when it comes to equally representation for the states. If you are going to have united states they all need a voice in government. If you want something different such as completely autonomous states that are not part of a federal government then you are calling for the abolishment of this country as we know it.

 

Good example of leftist thinking. To them government is supposed to control people while to conservatives it is supposed to represent us.[

 

Trump systematically dismantled Obama's job killing policies and the economy responded accordingly. As for the midterms the results were better than average for Trump and the republicans and if not for half this country being afflicted with TDS it would have been even better.

 

I can't speak for your "left." Only you can and, as you appear to entertain it frequently, I have no reason to believe it tells you anything other than what you say it does.

I have never advocated a change in the process of governance beyond the elimination of gerrymandering by both political parties (as is happening.)

I have pointed out the reality of a minority of the nation's voters controlling the nation's governance. Our system allows that.

 

You didn't factor in the extraordinary amount of seats being vacated by Republicans in this election that lost the power of incumbency. I realize you are a never Trumper but I thought you were more honest than that.

 

Kudos to all the cozily-ensconced GOP pols who were too disgusted with Trumpery to endure it any longer!

Elsewhere, of particular delight was seeing mild-mannered Honest Jon Tester weather the vindictive blitzkrieg of hysterical trumpery in Montana.

Lyin' Don's four pep rallies, Ayatollah Pence's 3, and Demonspawn Jr.'s incessant befoulment of Big Sky Country, insured Tester's victory in the sparsely-populated conservative enclave.

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The more seats in the house one party holds, the more they can lose.

Trump lost at least 30 seats from 240 down to 197 with 13 more to be decided in 2018 Lost control of the house

Obama lost 63 seats from 256 down to 193 in 2010 lost control of the house
Bush gained 8 seats from 221 up to 229 in 2002
Clinton lost 54 seats from 258 down to 204 in 1994 lost control of the house
Bush lost 8 seats from 175 down to 167 in 1990
Reagan lost 26 seats from 192 down to 166 in 1982
Carter lost 15 seats from 292 down to 277 in 1978
Nixon lost 12 seats from 192 down to 180 in 1970
LBJ lost 47 seats from 295 down to 248 in 1966
JFK lost 4 seats from 262 down to 258 in 1962
Eisenhower lost 18 seats from 221 down to 203 in 1954 lost control of the house
Truman lost 29 seats from 263 down to 234 in 1950
FDR gained 11 seats from 313 to 322 in 1934

LBJ lost 47 seats because he had a bunch he could afford to lost, he still held a huge majority in the house even with those loses. The more seats one party has, the more seats they can lose. Still, Trump is only one of four presidents to lose control of the house in their first midterm. IKE, Bill Clinton, Obama and now Trump.

True on having 41 house incumbents deciding not to seek reelection. That is a record for the Republicans. Now I think there has to be a reason why so many incumbents would choose not to run for reelection.

 

And I suppose you have a never Trumper reason handy.

 

I stated my reason before. The reason is Trump and the Republicans lost the independent vote. It was independents that put Trump in the white house, he won them 46-42 with 12% voting third party. Independents viewed both major candidates unfavorably, really disliked both of them giving Trump a 57% unfavorable/dislike rating, but Hillary's was much worse. Independents gave her a 70% unfavorable/dislike rating on election day. Hence Trump winning the independents.

Yesterday, 38% of independents viewed Trump favorably vs. 51% unfavorable. They voted Democratic this time as there was no Hillary Clinton to counter the dislike for Trump they had in 2016. Now if one looks at the issues and policies of Trump, independents are split on them, some for, some against. So why such high unfavorables. It's not policy, issue, it is something else. I contend it's his uncouth persona, his unpresidential behavior. Here's something Gallup reported/polled on: "Trump's unique personal style, brashness and disregard for conventional political norms and discourse -- while clearly a negative for many during the campaign -- helped him stand out from other Republican contenders and ultimately contributed to his victory in November. Six months into his presidency, these same characteristics remain prominent in the minds of his detractors and remain the most frequently cited reasons as to why the majority of Americans think he is not doing a good job."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/214091...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

here's something else.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/214151...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

and concerning the economy. Which should have been a huge plus for the Republicans and Trump.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/225467...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

I suppose I could qualify as a never Trumper, but at the same time I was a never Hillary Clinton also. I disdained both major party candidates so much, I voted third party. Against both, I wanted to have my disgust for both duly official registered as a vote against both. I also have supported Trump on some issues, opposed him on others. Just like I have done with every other president in my lifetime. I'm not a political party man. I was for awhile, the Reform Party back in the 1990's. But none since and none prior.

 

He is talking about California as debate. He is making the case that both parties gerrymander. Gerrymandering has always been a problem and has never been solved. Hope you can fix it.

 

You earlier implied the vacant seats were Trump's fault. You have yet to give a reason those politicians left office because of Trump.

 

I was talking about the house results. I do think some of those incumbents could see the writing on the wall that this midterm was going to be a bust for them. Instead of taking the beating, they decided to retire. The fact the Democrats would take back the House was apparent to those who weren't partisanship blind since the beginning of the year. It was just a matter of how many extra seats the Democrats would gain.

Out of 41 Republican incumbents not seeking reelection to the House 28 retired, 13 sought higher office.

 

If they hadn't vacated the seats and lost the power of incumbency Republicans would still control congress.

 

I don't think so. As I stated for a good 8-10 months the writing was on the wall about losing the house. With 13 districts pending, not decided as of yet. America voted 51.3% to 47.0 for the Democratic congressional candidates or approximately 52 million votes for the Democrats, 47.5 million for the Republican candidates. Again with 13 districts pending.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2018

Also more Democrats voted than Republicans by a 37-33% of the total electorate with 30% being independents.

 

And I asked you to show me a RELIABLE map showing Dem gerrymandering and you couldn't. A simple "before" and "after" comparison would do it. Let's see how contorted and tortured the configuration became. I showed you several Republican ones from different states, and they are extremely gerrymandered and contorted.

The fact is that I already said any gerrymandering should be stopped with legislation and a system that prevents it.

But let's eliminate some of the myths about it.
http://www.governing.com/blogs/by-the-numbers/most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts-states.html

 

I provided articles that discussed what the Democrats did in California.

As a result, Democrats control 42 seats/votes from California alone. How many seats do those states your talking about have in the House?

 

What is your problem?????!!!!!! Can't you take "yes" for an answer? The fact is that I already said any gerrymandering should be stopped with legislation and a system that prevents it.

In the past, gerrymandering has in fact resulted in more Republicans holding more House positions than Democrats and make Democratic majorities far more difficult to achieve. Look into it.

 

My issue, and perhaps I missed the flavor of your response, is that there is always a spotlight on what Republicans have done. I never see a mention of what Democrats did in California. They currently have 43 seats in the House. That's an automatic 10% of the total!

I will say this, I am with you on elimination of this gerrymandering BS.

I would like to see no human involved. Simply program a computer to look at population, and draw lines accordingly.

If one side of the street is in one district and the other in a different one, so be it.

District lines should be drawn based on population only. Period.

 

Keep on dancing. Maybe a tantrum or two. It's really convincing. No, really!

 

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I keep forgetting...this is Florida.
The same state that gave us Debbie Wasserman Shultz. You know that DNC chair that screwed Bernie Sanders.
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Man. What a steaming pile of...

While your post makes no sense whatsoever I do acknowledge that here in Florida our elections are nearly as entertaining as our amusement parks. We should charge people like you $80 a day for the pleasure of watching.

 

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