How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

See...this is what we call avoidance or distraction and is very annoying as well as extremely poor debate technique rendering you as little more than a troll worthy only as an entertainment piece....sort of a forum court jester.

 

No. There is no "avoidance or distraction" here. You seem to be under the impression that I want to verify that women have had an abortion when I have said no such thing.

 

You see, in a debate people of intellect are able to extrapolate in order to develop said debate into something of education and useful conversation which creates a more thoughtful discussion. When they do so it is hoped and expected that the other party follows suit in order to further discussion and debate. If however that individual is incapable or unwilling the debate suffers and the individual in question considered less than competent going forward. If this becomes a regular feature of that member they are generally labelled a "troll" and dismissed as useful for anything but entertainment.....you have reached this lofty goal....deal with it and enjoy the designation.

 

Utter nonsense! Again, you seem to be under the impression that I want to verify that women have had an abortion when I have said no such thing. Until you come to terms with this fact, there is no point in continuing this.

 

Okay...lets try this in a different way.

You obviously want abortion banned.
To do so you need to verify an abortion happened or a ban is pointless.
A ban also implies some form of monitoring for compliance.
As you are recommending this ban, how do you recommend said verification and monitoring take place?

Also, what do you recommend the punishment be for those found guilty of having an abortion once banned?

 

I thought that I am a troll, so why are you still replying to me? Am I not a troll anymore?

 

I like to play with Trolls and expose them for what they are....you of course just distracted from answering again which assists me in doing so.

So....ready to answer yet? here I'll make it easy for you:

Okay...lets try this again.

You obviously want abortion banned.
To do so you need to verify an abortion happened or a ban is pointless.
A ban also implies some form of monitoring for compliance.
As you are recommending this ban, how do you recommend said verification and monitoring take place?

Also, what do you recommend the punishment be for those found guilty of having an abortion once banned?

 

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"""I disagree. And again, your opinion is NOT fact! Just in case you didn't realise. I agree that taking away a person's right to their own body is slavery""

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You haven't disputed any of it.

You haven't proved they're not.

AGIN, WHY wouldn't a legal medical procedure be "under the health care system" ?

Then you must willfully NOT want to see the correlation...it is quite clear.

THIS is aa GREAT example of not understanding the issue.

DUH, there would be NO black market abortions if abortion isn't banned !!!!!

If you choose to ignore human nature, human history, and dream of a Utopia where everything is just like you want it then I doubt anyone can convince you about what real life is about..

Good GAWD! Here we go again. Do you know what BLACK MARKET MEANS????? It means a place where you get things that are ILLEGAL..

Except to have an abortion...that IS wanting abortion banned.

NO, EVERYONE'S rights are defended and supported by the government....that is what it is FOR !!!!!!!!!!!!


YES, women should expect the government to support their right to their own body.

Yes, murder DOES affect me and all of society and that's why it is illegal....see, it's killing PEOPLE, BORN actual PEOPLE who are here and mean something...and have rights.
If humans killed freely we would have mass chaos...



YOU cannot be affected by someone who was never here.

Because you keep making statements like : """"Then it might be a good idea to just give birth, or else just not get pregnant in the first place! They are free to choose. In this respect, I am 100% PRO-CHOICE! Are you not saying that women are sensible enough to choose and make the right choice? """


Post 1546 : You: ""I have no idea. I'm just saying that the abortion procedure could be removed from the health system.""""



AGAIN, why remove a LEGAL medical procedure from the "health system". ?????

 

See, that's avoidance ankle biting …

 

So you have no facts or solutions you just want women to suffer from no health care....gee, that's nice...

 

Not possible, as it is a legal medical procedure. I am curious to hear how you think it will make a difference?

 

Well theoretically it could happen in the US. Whether Roe v Wade is settled law is highly debated.

A different to what?

 

"Suffer from no health care?" You mean no healthcare AT ALL? When did I say that?

 

No, my position is not quite that simple. My position is not settled. I know that I agree with abortion for rape pregnancies, which are obviously going to be very early abortions anyway, early abortion being something that I could support as a whole and I feel that I lean towards support. However, at the point that the fetus can feel, I know that I am 100% against abortion.
However, I do not believe that it is a matter of women "having the right to their own bodies". because I don't believe that it is just their body that is involved. And I don't believe that there should be a RIGHT to an abortion under the health system, with states not able to choose whether or not to include abortion in their health system. I believe that if abortions under the health system were not available and a women gets an abortion an alternative way, that they should be free from prosecution, but the abortionist subject to prosecution.

 

You said:

I said: "I disagree. And again, your opinion is NOT fact! Just in case you didn't realise. I agree that taking away a person's right to their own body is slavery, but I don't consider the banning of abortion as taking away a person's right to their own body."

I was disagreeing with the "which is what banning abortion does" part of your post. If I agreed that banning abortion is "taking away a person's right to their own body", then I would agree that abortion is slavery.

By the way, when a baker has to bake a cake for a same sex wedding by law, do you consider that to be slavery?

I say that it is a FACT, that it is slavery for a baker to be forced to bake wedding cakes for same sex weddings. Is that actually a fact, or is it just an opinion? If you say that it is not a fact, can you prove it?

IF it wasn't actually a "legal medical procedure."

Correct. I'm talking about if it WAS banned.

"Human nature" and "human history" is no excuse for killing unborn lives.

You're right, it is a poor term to use. I shall refer to it from now on as, having an abortion by alternative means, or something like that.

If abortion wasn't included under the health system, then it wouldn't be available IN ORDER for women to choose it! This wouldn't be taking women's choice away, it would just be limiting their options. They could choose to have an abortion by alternative means if they wish.

How would the murder of someone that you did not know, affect you?

Yes, this is YOUR position on when life has value. You don't think unborn lives mean something but others do. You should get used to that fact!

I'm not sure if I have asked you yet, but how late in the term do you think women should have the right to choose?

I'm really confused by the above response. You quote my words but my words do not contain anything about
being "against wars or self defense" or anything about wanting to ban them. Remember, you originally said this:

I've obviously spoken about executing certain criminals, so that part you got right.

 

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So you have no facts or solutions you just want women to suffer from no health care....gee, that's nice...

I didn't say you said "all" ( But that was a really nice Squirming Away From Answering a Question Directly something you have never been able to do ).. but if you don't want abortion covered under health then you must want women to suffer from lack of health care CONCERNING BORTION..

 

Women have a right to their own bodies under the Constitution …. NO one gets rights under your mysterious "health system", that's not a law making entity...

If abortion is banned WHY would it be banned? Because it's murder ?

Then why are you for letting women get away with murder?

I've asked you that before and never got a straight answer.

If a person hires a hit man to kill someone for them and if the hit man is successful and if he's caught BOTH the hit man and the person who hired him are charged the same....(that's NOT an opinion)


Again, why do you want women to get away with murder. ???


What other crimes do you think women should be allowed to commit and why ??

 

I don't want women to suffer. I would much prefer that they have the baby, but it would be her choice what she does - either give birth, or explore a risky abortion if abortion under the health system was not available.

 

I agree, but in my opinion that is not relevant to abortion.

Not necessarily.

No, the charges are different. The person who hired the hitman would be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

Well she won't be doing the murder, so she wouldn't be charged with murder. Do you mean, why am I for letting women get away with conspiracy to commit murder?

 

First of all over 90% of abortions are done in the first trimester where there are no neural connections. Secondly women who are raped do not know they are pregnant the same way women who have abortions didn’t realize they were pregnant

 

Alright, but that still leaves 10%.

Can you explain why that is?

 

And again we are back to late term abortions. Second trimester are either for foetal abnormality, maternal ill health or the abortion was planned but unreasonably delayed the longer into the pregnancy the more likely it is to be for an abnormality

 

Yes, which you STILL haven't given your position on, despite being asked about 1 million times at this point!

Sure, but in the US and Australia, second trimester abortions are allowed for any reason, right?

 

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You got my reply to this, right? If not, my reply is here: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bortion-debate.538967/page-79#post-1069909129