Naval Sea Battle In Azov Sea - Russia captured 3 Ukrainian Ships

Ya don't say....maybe you should look at KOba Stalin romantic fling with ole Adolf in portioning Poland, LOL, if that isn't "collusion" then I dunno what is.....

 

and for the vatniks pleading their case in regards to this latest fiasco...the EU couldn't really be bothered to hear what the moskalis were lying about anyways.)

 

Perhaps the Germans would reconsider that pipeline deal if Trump weren't so odious (we know no one in Europe wants to hand him any apparent "wins").

 

We're GOOD ! - & I agree with you on Rumy

 

If you followed the situation, you would have known that Yanukovich wanted to delay the agreement with the EU because he didn't want to burden the people with an IMF loan that wanted a 50% increase on gas and a 70% drop in social service - which included wages for government workers.

The EU lied and told him that the money from the loss of trade with Russia would amount to something like 30 billion dollars, and it turned out to be in the hundreds of billions.

Yanukovich asked the EU to help, and they refused and told him to go to the IMF. Russia told the EU that he was willing to discuss the situation with them, and again they refused.

Later on a document was signed by the parties concerned that Yanukovich was to remain in office until December, and then an election would be held. When he returned to his office his car was shot at and so he was forced to leave - as well as the representatives that refused to go along with the junta.

Putin was furious with Yanukovich that he didn't have the courage to tell the police to use force and break up the protests. Instead he bowed to Nuland who told him not to dare use force. Anyway Putin did save him and his family, and that it wasn't up to him to judge what Yanukovich did - that was up to God.

Anyway as long as Yanukovich was alive, he was legally the president - or at least until December of that year.

 

Was this before or after Putin threatened to annihilate France?

 

Oh, I know the Poles are generous and are willing to pay more for LNG gas, but I didn't realize the Germans were too? And to think they're being called 'thrifty'.

 

Here are some excerpts from Reuters Dec. 19, 2013:

"...For three hours Yanukovich cajoled and bullied anyone who pushed for Ukraine to have closer ties to Russia. A handful of deputies from his Party of Regions complained that their businesses in Ukraine’s Russian-speaking east would suffer if Yanukovich didn’t agree to closer ties with Russia. That set him off.

“Forget about it ... forever!” he shouted at them, according to people who attended the meeting. Instead the president argued for an agreement to deepen trade and other cooperation with the European Union..."


"...Public and private arm-twisting by Putin, including threats to Ukraine’s economy and Yanukovich’s political future, played a significant part (towards turning him away from the EU). But the unwillingness of the EU and International Monetary Fund to be flexible in their demands of Ukraine also had an effect, making them less attractive partners..."

tps://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-russia-deal-special-report/special-report-why-ukraine-spurned-the-eu-and-embraced-russia-idUSBRE9BI0DZ20131219
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As I said, Russia could not allow goods from the EU to go through Ukraine's beneficial trade agreements with Russia.

 

Oh, then Poroshenko didn't declare Marshall Law and my sites were wrong?

 

Where's the riots in Kharkiv, odessa, jenny?

You claimed there were mass riots?

Show this?

 

Citing what you would otherwise call fake news (MSM)? I am floored!

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...rade-deals-help-solve-the-ukrainian-conflict/

Is Russia’s conflict with Ukraine really about trade? If so, this might help.
By Christian Friis Bach
March 6, 2015

Trade disputes helped trigger the Ukrainian conflict. They must now be a big part of the solution.

A key reason for the outbreak of hostilities was that Moscow wanted Kiev to join the Russian-led Eurasian Customs Union, not the European Union Association Agreement. Ukraine should not have been forced to choose — or rather should be able to pursue both avenues. It is time to ensure that a country is able to take either path without negative repercussions, domestic or international.

...

Part of Moscow’s resistance to Ukraine entering into a comprehensive free-trade agreement with the European Union is a fear that this could allow EU goods to flood Russian markets. So a crucial part of any solution must be to design a trade regime that can build trust and transparency with both Russia and the European Union.

Experience proves this can be done. Many countries have successfully managed to be members of more than one free-trade agreement. It largely depends on critical border-control measures, clear transit procedures and well-established rules of origin.

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But I think this Reuters blog is fundamentally flawed, as is your supposition, because I don't think trade is all this is about. It is about Putin trying to keep Ukraine close to Russia, either as a nominally independent entity or as an annexed part of Russia, and away from the NATO bloc. Obviously trade alone doesn't explain the propaganda and outright military invasions coming from Russia.

 

Martial law. It doesn't matter that it's been declared. It matters where, why, for how long, and to what effect it has been declared. Obviously there was a perfectly legitimate reason to do so, namely in response to Russia's latest aggression and the threat of further violations of Ukrainian sovereignty it represents.

 

From what I can gather....from a friend/source in kharkiv, who is also in ukranian military, the martial law was imposed along the coast in certain districts, not throughout the country....in reaction to russias recentt aggressions.

 

Really? I thought it was agression from Ukraine, whose ships entered the waters of Russia. Keeping in mind that some Ukranian polititians suggested to blow up the Crimean brige, it was fully justified thing to stop the ships. Besides, maybe you explain, why the hell this martial law was introduced now and not when Crimea was annexed by Russia or when there were heavy battles in Donbass, for example?

 

Really smazok, why would it be agression from ukraine, after all the asiatic vermin moskalis annexed Crimea and held some BS referendum with armed green men before the 3/16 vote,lol.

They should blow up that druzba bridge...without a doubt, but wait itll probably collapse on its own), considering vatniks engineering skills are for **** in some cases....the dry dock for kuznetsow supoosedlysbuilt by Swedes!.

Ships entering "russki waters" ....maybe you forgot that Ukraine shares that coastline too...or geography not your strongpoint?

Ukraine was really in no position to declare anything back then since they just tossed out a ******nugget of a president and everything was in turmoil.....and where the putinka rat took advantage and decided some stealing would be a good idea....

 

You talk like a typical US terrorist when calling for blowing up the bridge. As for referendum, there was at least some, while in Kosovo there was no any- US just bombed Yugoslavia and disintegrated it without any referendums. So you better keep your mouth shut down than talk about referendums.
As for geography, I know where the borders of Russia better than you and know that the area where the ships entered was in Russian Federation even before Crimea was annexed.
Your have BS double stadards. When Ukraine seized Russian fishing boat in the sea- that was fine, but when Russia seized military boats from Ukraine- that's agression.

 

Russia stole Crimea and unjustly blocked Ukrainian vessels from traveling to a Ukrainian port, and this in spite of the agreement the countries supposedly have concerning shared use of those waters.

Why are some people so determined to side with thieving, aggressive, lying Putin in this? It boggles the mind.

 

I'm not a terrorist....sorry to disappoint.

Maybe Yugoslavia would be in one piece yet had Milosevic not embarked on a "tour" of sorts.

I'm not easily silenced....I'll speak my mind.

How do you know where ships were exactly? Were you ever in the Azov?

Maybe that boat was in ukraine waters when seized?

Well russkis consider ukranians "brahtooshkeh" but have no problems killing them, funny sort these vatniks! So yeah you can call it aggression.

 

Thanks to my tinfoil hat I intercepted an exchange of 'cables' (those were the days? lol) from the region yesterday. The exchange went something like this:

Dear NATO (or 'Nato' as the BBC insists the acronym should be )

Please send me some gunboats. Thank you kindly.

Signed: Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko
* * *
Dear Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko

Go and **** yourself. Best wishes,

Signed: NATO.
* * *
Dear NATO

But they're so we can sink a few Russki ships.

Signed: Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko
* * *
Dear Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko

Ah well that's different . . . how many do you want?

 

Who stole what is not obvious. Crimea was illegaly transfferred from Russian Federation to Ukranian Republic in 1954. Why do not that bother you? The Ukranians boats were not simply fishing boats so they presented a potential danger for the bridge. Besides, the share waters is Azov sea, but not the Black sea where the ships were catched. Black sea on the other side has certain borders for use only by a certain countries -Ukraine has its own part, Russia has its own part, Turkey has its own part etc and not by anyone else.

 

Sure you are, when you call for the distruction of the civilian constructions. I am sure Yugoslavia was one piece if US did not interfere and broke up the country, but of course, for US it is necessary to find someone to justify their agression in Europe.
I think you know badly the situation. The ships were caught not in Azov sea, but in the Black sea. Or for you it is the same?
It is Pornoshenko who is interested in the conflict and not Putin. This way he can supress all the opposition in many areas of Ukraine before the elections.
About killing, ukranians have no problem killing not only Russians, but also Ukranians when making heavy artillery fires on Donetsk.

 

Inshallahh

 

It's an illegal bridge dude,...but as I said, it'll collapse on its own!



LOL....no Mac, milosevic got greedy, so he was taught a lesson, ended up costing him, and most of his buddies.

Uh no vis dude, poroshenko and company killing many Russians...mostly strelkov/girkin russki Mir servicemen, I guess its hard for you to distinguish?

Suppress opposition? If its the martial law you talk about, it was mainly in the east, sorry to disappoint.

 

Full translation into English:

CHECK LIST
of the readiness of small armoured artillery boat “Nikopol” before exit at sea from 09:00 23.11.2018 to 18:00 25.11.2018

1. The purpose of exiting: relocation at the Berdyansk port.

2. Superior during exit: 2nd rank captain Gritsenko D.V.

3. Task set before exiting at sea: create tactical boat grouping No. 5 (hereon in TBG No. 5) before 01.11 consisting of: small armoured artillery boat “Berdyansk”, small armoured artillery boat “Nikopol”, Commander of TBG No. 5 – 2nd rank captain Gritsenko D.V. with the placement of the command point of TBG on the small armoured artillery boat “Berdyansk”.

Prepare tactical grouping No. 5 for relocation from the Odessa port to the Berdyansk port through the Kerch–Enikale canal (KEC).

Carry out exit from the Odessa port according to the special order. Carry out covert passage outside the coastal and marine areas of observation of the Black Sea Fleet and Coast Guard of the FSB of the Russian Federation.

Carry out passage through the KEC via tug. The tug is offshore tug “Yana Kapa”.

While fulfilling tasks the main efforts must be focused on covert passage to and through the KEC.

When arriving at the Berdyansk port, be ready to fulfil stabilisation tasks in the Azov Zone:

4. The decision of the commander of the small armoured artillery boat “Nikopol” for the implementation of the set tasks: Before 01.11 enter into the structure of TBG No. 5. At 08:30 23.11.18 start preparation of the boat for combat and a campaign. At 09:00 23.11.18 depart from the Odessa port and carry out a passage to the KEC. After arriving at the KEC, meet the tug “Yana Kapa” and pass through the KEC.

At the time defined by the special order, enter the Berdyansk port.

While exiting at sea, strictly observe security while using weapons and military equipment, as well as navigation security. While fulfilling tasks, the main efforts should be concentrated on covert passage to and through the KEC.

5. The main measures for exit

(Table column headings)
No. / Name of main measures / Fulfilment of basic security measures for planned tasks / Who allows exit and when it takes place / Notes

(Table row data)
1 / Control ships military training: “Verification of readiness of boat before exiting at sea.” / – – – – – – – – / 01.11.18 temporarily performing duties of commander of military unit A2951 3rd rank captain RUD P.G. / – – – – – – – – –

http://thesaker.is/ukrainian-crews-were-given-the-order-to-try-to-covertly-cross-the-kerch-stait/

It looks genuine to me but if someone can prove otherwise I'm all ears...

 

How can you believe in an electoral system when the US is an oligarchy HERE?