Boy Scouts of America may file for bankruptcy

Flawed logic. If such men, greater than you or I are out there-regardless of label I am pleased.

Its not that they do better-its that YOU do better.

 

The problem with the boy scouts is that for the longest time they only appealed to highly religious people with anti-gay, anti-secular beliefs, who believed that women have different roles in our society. As today's young and young parents have moved from these regressive values, boy scout membership began to drop. When they tried to be more inclusive to gays and women, they lost the support of the few regressives they had left, but didn't gain the support of secular millennials because of their tarnished reputation. And I'm an Eagle Scout.

 

I wasn't in a morman troop or pack. I liked it. Keep in mind this goes back to 86. I was not in a religious troop.

But there were real problems with gay leaders in the 80's and 90's. Sexual abuse, and largely by gay pedophiles.

And no-I don't think gays are pedophiles-but there a link, perhaps by the higher than average rate of sexual abuse by gays as children.

I think the gay experience of children should be analyzed-and not because I think its wrong.

 

Well not only was I a member of scouts I worked for them and I learned about all of the top end stuff. And up until recently the Mormon church participated a lot in boy scouts they controlled it to a large degree. For whatever reason they have stepped back.
I'm not exactly sure why.

When I was a youth that was with a Catholic unit. I wasn't out then I wasn't even sure it was homosexual then. So it was never really a problem. And when I volunteered as an adult I was single and I didn't talk about that sort of thing it wasn't anyone's business I wasn't there to meet dates.

In the 80s and 90s homosexual leaders were not allowed to participate.

And like I said the units should be able to decide for themselves.

 

Flawed logic? Weren't it you that flaunted your Eagle Scout rank have open up doors for you?

 

Generally children either don't realize they are gay, or they aren't ready for people to know about it.

 

You’ve missed the obvious fact that most if not all of the lawsuits are from incidents that happened before the BSA allowed homosexuals. Those problems aren’t because of the existence of homosexuals, they’re because of the attempted cover-ups by the organisation, which was in part due to their refusal to acknowledge the existence of homosexuality (much like the Catholic Church in fact).

Accepting open homosexuals in the organisation reduces the risk if anything and is really part of a wider development of policies and procedures for safeguarding all the young people (and adult leaders for that matter) the organisation is responsible for.

 

However, recent policy changes has resulted in a large loss of funding and membership which could have helped them weather through these lawsuits. Of course, with these revelations, they would have lost membership and now face losing even more members.

 

Well, the negative reactions to some of the policy changes (or misrepresentations about them) from a minority of supporters, politicians and the media appear to have led to a loss of membership and income. That doesn’t mean the policies themselves are wrong or that they’re the direct cause of the problems and it doesn’t mean it would have been right for the BSA to effectively give in to blackmail.

 

I highly doubt that the loss of members is due to any policy changes. Much more likely is that the BSA is just too old to interest children nowadays and perhaps the policy changes were done hoping to buck this trend.

 

Perhaps you can point out these links with some evidence? What I've seen is that court cases are from events that happened well before lifting of any ban. But hey, that ruins the premise of the OP

 

I blame the hedonist homosexual worshiping liberal culture for the demise of the Boy Scouts

liberals push the homosexusl agenda onto young boys instead of letting them grow up normally

And then they began showing up at Scout metting demanding accomidation, along with adult homosexuals also demanding admittance

And homosexuals were prepared to sue if they didnt get their way

This was bound to end badly for a once-great organization

 

Eagle Scout here. When I was circa 15 years old, returning home from (I think) summer camp, on a (probably) rented school bus, I had occasion to glance around at the seat behind me. 2 ~13 year olds were in the seat, and one was giving a blow job to the other, in what appeared to my 15 year old brain to not be exactly consensual. I pretended I didn't see what I saw and never said a word to anyone, but to this day it troubles me. That said, let me be crystal clear... I don't care if someone is gay, more power to you. I was, and remain, in favor of same sex marriage. It was the apparent lack of true consent (not to mention the ages involved, although at that particular moment I didn't give much thought to that, as I was only a few years older) that troubled and still troubles me.

Now, having said all THAT, short of me turning them in (which to my shame, did not happen), I don't know what can be done about such things. I have no solutions. Only a personal, happened to me, anecdote.

 

It worked for the Catholic Church.

Do you advocate that the church go away then also ?

 

LOL, funny how that leaving happened exactly when the gays came in. Another fine institution destroyed by liberalism.

 

My recommendation to that church would be to drop their unbiblical prohibition against married clergy, which IMHO has been the cause of this homosexual problem.

 

Not quite the same as inviting in gay scout leaders. It's like throwing the rabbit in the briar patch.

 

Well shoot I believe you.

 

Yes. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the countless amount of churches that severed ties with the organization after their social justice policy change.

 

"The published enrollment numbers that the BSA share show that membership has dropped year after year, a tough pill to swallow for any organization, and the BSA has been accused on several occasions that their rolls have been inflated to enhance appearances. Even if you ignore those rumors and accept the BSA's numbers, with just 2.8 million members, Scouting is half of what it was in 1972 when enrollment peaked. That means that Boy Scout membership in the US is down by 11% in the past decade and Cub Scouts have seen their membership drop by 23% during the same time."
https://www.wired.com/2010/02/boy-scouts-at-100-years/

https://scoutmaster.typepad.com/my_...ship-declines-while-ratios-remain-steady.html

 

no, there is no lonk. the vast overwhelming majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.

 

There were still gays in the scouts who didn't point that out. Both scouts and leaders.

Its for much the same reason there have been instances in the catholic church, etc.

It makes sense in the mind of a pedophile-you go to where the kids are.

 

Please try removing your blinkers. The BSA didn't have a ban on gay leaders and scouts, they had a ban on openly gay leaders and scouts. Openly gay men, comfortable with their sexuality and free to engage in relationships with other men will pose less of a threat than forcibly closeted men and the ban doesn't account for all the nominally straight men (or women) who abuse children.

On top of that, the policies of the BSA (like other organisations) led to them actively covering up abuse within scouting because they put hiding their "failure" to implement their policies over and above protecting the victims. You argument is essentially favours scout leaders who are straight child abusers than gay but innocent.

I'm also curious what your opinion of all the other mixed-gender youth organisations (including most schools), where every leader/teacher/etc. is going to be nominally attracted to the gender of at least some of the children they're working with.

 

The LDS backing out, as well as some of the kids of the scouts I went through with left for exactly this reason.

 

There is none. The sex abuse cases are from twenty or thirty years ago. The lifting of the gay ban is a few years old.

The charter organizations are allowed to determine who they want for membership--as Scouts or leaders. For example, a Troop chartered by a church is allowed to exclude scouts/leaders not a member of the church. A Troop chartered by a school is allowed to exclude scouts not attending that school. That is specifically part of the Charter agreement, and part of BSA rules and regulations.