Obamacare ruled Unconstitutional

The issue is how to allow people with preexisting conditions to have healthcare coverage.

The mandate was created to backstop insurance companies so they didn't get hit with people buying insurance AFTER they contracted some expensive health problem.

We're now entering an era where those with preexisting conditions can't buy coverage.

No other industrialized nation in the world is that pathetic - has that low of an opinion of their citizens.

And, Republicans have NEVER had a solution for that problem.

 

seriously? You claiming you never heard anyone on the left make that claim?

Bernie Sanders
Health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege
https://berniesanders.com/medicareforall/

Elizabeth Warren
Health care is a basic right
https://elizabethwarren.com/issues/health-care/

please try belter to be informed before you join the discussion so we don't have to waste our time educating you on what is common knowledge

 

Your "left" has certainly been handed a re-gifted political issue after the RINOs of Trumpery had befouled themselves concerning healthcare reform before the November election.

Reminding Americans of Trump's fake promise of "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!" and all those years of Republican bluster concerning their repeated vow to immediately repeal and replace the ACA is not good for the GOP.

 

Well tell your leadership to start getting to work on it instead of obstructing reform to help cost come down. Un

 

Only if you count Social Security as welfare.

But you described the Wall Street wet dream perfectly. Indeed, that is a perfect descriptionof the US economy circa 2005.

Republicans bragged about it then, and congradulated themselves on their genius

Come to think of it, that's what Trump has been doing.

 

Only if you pay out of pocket for it and even then not assured you have to qualify.

Who is eligible for Medicare?
Generally, Medicare is available for people age 65 or older, younger people with disabilities and people with End Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or transplant). Medicare has two parts, Part A (Hospital Insurance) and Part B (Medicare Insurance). You are eligible for premium-free Part A if you are age 65 or older and you or your spouse worked and paid Medicare taxes for at least 10 years.
https://www.hhs.gov/answers/medicare-and-medicaid/who-is-elibible-for-medicare/index.html

AGAIN you are thinking Medicaid. THAT is what Obamacare expanded.

I would say it's moronic to believe Medicare would not fundamentally change and no longer exist as it does today were we to put everyone into the program but then I don't have to toss insults to prove my point.

 

Maybe I wasn’t clear. Who in this thread has said healthcare is a right? I don’t care what politicians say. They aren’t here discussing the issue.

 

I have no idea where you keep getting lost? I have repeatedly said MEDICARE for all. I have made no mention of Medicaid.

Medicare would not change at all. We would just remove the age requirement.

 

I'll repeat: Lefties claim healthcare is a right.

 

So you can’t show us. Thank you.

 

He did no such thing.

The Democrats took back the Congress a year before the recession when the economy was still quite strong and uemployment still in the 4's. Obama passed his stimulus claiming it would hold unemployment to just 8%. It went to 10% under Democrat policies and stayed over 8% for the next three under Democrat policies. It came back down as more and more Republican polices were instituted and Democrat prevented they had done enough damage.

The FED did not the Democrats.

The worst employment record in modern history.

 

Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/health-care-is-a-right-no_b_212770.html

"Indeed, it is often said that the need for health care constitutes a right. President Clinton campaigned with the slogan, "Health care should be a right, not a privilege." Opinion polls regularly show that the belief in such a right is widespread, even within the medical profession. The AMA's "Patient's Bill of Rights" includes the statement that patients have a "right to essential health care.""
https://atlassociety.org/commentary...are-blog/3652-is-there-a-right-to-health-care

Q: Is health care in America a privilege, a right, or a responsibility?
OBAMA: Well, I think it should be a right for every American.

Obama believes health care is a right for everyone, not a privilege for the few.
Source: Campaign website, ObamaForIllinois.org, “On the Issues” Sep 28, 2004

Democrats: We Believe Health Care Is A Right
We Democrats believe that health care is a right, and we believe that everyone should be able to get the care they need, no matter where they live or what their economic situation is.
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/380482/democrats-we-believe-health-care-is-a-right.html

 

We may agree on this much, then... that "W" Bush 'never saw it coming', and if he did then he was even more negligent than he appeared to be. I'm no economic genius, but even I was able to 'read the tea leaves' as early as October of 2006 and see that we were headed for an economic train-wreck deluxe! I did one thing right -- I was RID of all my stocks and stock options by the end of May '07.

And when the train-wreck happened, what did "W" Bush do? He obediently did everything he was TOLD to do by Hank Paulson, the Federal Reserve's 'man' in the Bush Administration. I can still see Bush up there on TV, looking like a clueless, 'deer-in-the-headlights'. It really made me sick.

And then along came Obama, who did the SAME thing, but with a different 'handler' -- two-time convicted tax cheater, Tim Geithner! Now we've got Trump, who just wants interest rates to remain near zero so he can take credit for a roaring stock market. Bullshit! The Fed did ALL of this with their deliberate manipulation and suppression of interest rates over a period of NINE YEARS.

What has any of this to do with Obamacare? Everything! Because Obamacare was perhaps the largest instrument used to weld people who wanted 'free stuff' to the government, helping to make them dependent on government for the rest of their parasitic lives. Why? So that central banks (like the Fed) could reduce Americans down to living like Europeans -- totally dependent on big, central government for more and more, and paying for it with enormous percentages of our income. That kind of welfare is like any other highly-addictive drug... once you get "on" it, you can never get "off" of it again....

Parenthetically, we see how well this is working for France today....

. Apotheosis of Socialism: "We want everything for free, and somebody else to pay for it!"

 

They did that once before. There is no real reason why we can't do it again. Only fools keep something that isn't working for them.

 

I am all for bringing spending under control again as we did under previous Republican congresses where we had enough conservative Republicans to do so. Convince me the Democrats will do so after their previous records and stated promises for free everything.

Feds Collect Record Taxes Through November; Still Run $305.4B Deficit
The federal government collected record total tax revenues of $458,653,000,000 in October and November, the first two months of fiscal 2019, according to the Monthly Treasury Statement released today.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...axes-through-november-still-run-3054b-deficit

The tax rate cuts are working, it's not a revenue problem.

 

Before the ACA heathcare Insurance costs were rising at extremely percentages.

The ACA slowed down those increases

My wife had the Flu this week. Our co pay was $15 and drugs $24

Most advanced countries have affordable healthcare for all.

In the USA we pay twice what other countries do with less the care.

It's time to try something different.

Wholeheartedly. With everybody working together for the better of Americans. Not just to claim credit

 

you do know Medicare is insolvent now will be bankrupt in less then 20 years
and you want to add 275 million to a system that is going bankrupt with 50 million on it already
how the hell are we going to pay for it?
its a freaken fantasy

 

They had every right too, they got us through a slowdown/recession/dot.com bubble/9-11 into a full recovery with soaring tax revenues, full employment and a deficit down to a paltry $161B. And now once again tax rate cuts and record tax revenues. Now let's get spending under control, why do I doubt we will see that with a Democrat House?

 

It's an insolvable problem because the cuts that need to be made are politically impossible: entitlements and military. We want to take care of old and poor people and be the toughest guy in the neighborhood and you can't do both.

 

It's not even cuts it's slowing the rate of increase and it has been done in the past and can be done again, we have no choice. The question is who best to do it, who will do it. The Republicans balanced the budget and produced surpluses in the late 1990's and early 2000's. They had the deficits back down to a paltry $161B in 2007.

 

Sounds an awful like the "medicare for all" plan the left is having a wet dream about.

 

The folks it is not working for should move to europe. The rest of us like the liberty we have and are not yet ready to become slaves to a tyrannical government.

 

Republicans obviously could care less about the national debt. Where are the Tea Party protests over these deficits? Crickets. Because it was never about the deficit anyway. If it was, they'd still be protesting. So what was it really about? Hmm...

 

During the vote exit comments........... Voters said the ACA Healthcare was most important to them.