"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Well, there would be more involvement of a bureaucracy, from the gov't into the lives of more americans. And some americans have a problem with that. And it is a legit position to have, although I do not share it. But they have reasonable arguments worthy of discussion.

 

That is exactly why Obama has been elected, he suggested
1. Public option
2. Increase number of doctors
His ideas were defeated by the private health care government.

 

Ah, an old FDR liberal and a conservative that can agree on something! You apparently are not far right, but a conservative that thinks for himself in a reasonable, non radical manner.

I can work with these kind of conservatives. The old liberal left has more in common with the trump conservatives, a more moderate conservative, than people are willing to talk about.

 

Reported. You’ve been warned enough times about making **** up and attributing it to me.

 

I'm not attributing anything to you. I'm asking you for your opinion. Do you think it's ethical to say to someone: "Pay me, or leave, or I put you in a cage."?

 

What kind of bureaucracy? If the system had already established and works perfectly for almost 50 years. And it is not free.
Yea, the databases will be larger because more people's records has to be added, but that is all.

 

Already established you don’t own it. You pay the government on a yearly basis for it. They can take it from you at any time.

Yes, we are well aware of the whacky things libertarians say. However, taxation is of course not theft.

Of course you have. It’s why you pay them, and haven’t renounced your citizenship and left US borders.

 

Who are these special individuals who may rightfully take their neighbor's property at will?

 

Yes, that was my impression as well. Sanders pushed for the Medicare option, but neither the DP nor obama would pass that into legislation. And of course wall street and big insurance got what they wanted. The DP represents them where the rubber meets the road, just as the GOP does. Otherwise we would have seen Medicare for those who want it in place of no insurance or private insurance.

Don't ever think the DP or non Trump GOP, have any intention of representing most of the american people. Princeton evidenced that neither party did, over two decades of looking at congressional record. It is self evident. And yet some people don't discern it, or just do not care ha ha

Getting insurance off the backs of business would go a long way in helping business and jobs.

 

How does Swiss cheese get its holes?

 

Stop criticizing the NHS for something it doesn't do.

The NHS provides EVERYTHING related to HEALTHCARE - rich and poor alike.

Dentistry is NOT healthcare.

Therefore, it is NOT part of the NHS.

Dental services are NOT provided by the NHS.

"NHS Dental" means only subsidies - to help with the cost of services OUTSIDE the NHS because the NHS ITSELF does NOT do dental.

If people can't find a dentist that is NOT the fault of the NHS. The NHS can't force PRIVATE dentists to accept people who need a NHS subsidy.

Those same people will, however, get healthcare from the NHS.

 

Yes, I understand that it's a difficult question for you to answer. It's hard to justify initiating aggression against one's fellow man.

 

Who said it was free? Not me, indeed I have always said most will pay for it, in the form of a premium taken from the pay check.

Adding a hundred million or more to medicare, will create a larger bureaucracy, with even greater need to pry into the medical state of its citizens, on medicare. There will be more fraud, and more people added to investigate fraud, etc.

Of course it would be nice if the bureaucracy was more benign, like living in Mayberry, but that just ain't gonna happen. And some people fear this, and for good reason.

The gov't never probes and pries less as time goes on, but more. And it is a problem for many people. A legit concern. A reasonable concern.

 

It is really hard to discern because Rep Party pit people against each other using their income differences, and Dem Party do the same by promoting identity politics.

 

Reported again for misrepresenting my position.

 

People do not want free health care I guess, so Medicare is not free.
I personally do not understand if database increases by 40% how it is going to add to much bureaucracy.

 

That you support some individuals taxing their neighbors is not a misrepresentation of your position.

 

There will have to be controls, additional to existing ones given the expansion, IMO. You will have a younger insured group, which will add some additional problems, and we don't know even what they will be. But you can set your watch by such things happening. It is the nature of bureaucracy.

One would think with modern computer tech that managing Medicare more efficiently would be achievable. It isn't as well managed as private sector who have an eye on profits and return to shareholders. Easier to fraud medicare, apparently.

 

Yes it is

 

What about your car?
Do you own that?

 

So you don't support this whole taxation thing?

 

Participipation has infinite possibilities.
Silly argument

 

Can the government take it from me, at any point in time? No? Then it’s a silly comparison, isn’t it.

 

Why do they call blue cheese, blue cheese?

 

To add to my other response...

This article you linked to does not document the "failure of the NHS".

Does it talk about challenges? Shortcomings?

YES, sure it does.

Does it say the NHS is coming to an end?

NO

It talks about best and worst case scenarios, and how to meet current and and future challenges.... e.g.: