How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Is shooting someone in the head an action which leads to death that is no more direct than taking someone off life support?

 

But you DO care, right?

Most people think that it should be illegal for a parent to kill their unwanted child, but you wouldn't say that they are trying to "project an image of [themselves] as caring for unwanted children" and that they should adopt unwanted children would you?

 

Are you saying that they are removed from life support after this?

 

For abortion. What else?

Correct.

I never said that it CAN go back in!

You have talked ALOT more about the attachment of the fetus to the woman's body than you have about the fact that the fetus is "INSIDE" the woman.

What about if only its head is out? Can the women choose to terminate it allowing the doctor to do so?

 

Yes. Again, I assume that you don't think that terminating a VIABLE fetus is the same as killing a brain dead patient. Is this correct?

 

Not big on biology, are you?

At the moment you kill someone, their life is no longer being supported.

 

Thought you meant in the same way as someone in a coma is taken off life support.

 

If you kill someone in a coma, that person's life support also stops.

Got it?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
You're the one that projected the hateful rightist meme that people who have abortions are like Nazis.....and that people who value BORN life don't value unborn life....


You should get out more and meet people who value women as human life....with all the same rights as you have.


People who love unborn fetuses are not evil but taking away a human beings right to their own body is evil...it IS what the Nazis and slave owners did....

You didn't refute or change one word of my post and YOU HAVE NEVER PROVEN A FETUS CAN FEEL PAIN WHEN ABORTED.


It is impossible to value women, or anyone, if you take away their right to their own body, a right YOU wouldn't give up...a right that Anti-Choicers want to take away from women like the Nazis took the rights away from Jews.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
...and what has that to do with abortion?

How totally and completely illogical to ASSume that I disagree with him …….I have never posted either way so it is the usual Assuming.


and still doesn't answer the question (as USUAL)
...and what has that to do with abortion?

 

Yes, but my point to these people is that this leads to a natural death, unlike abortion.

 

No clue what you are on about

 

Killing someone is natural?

 

Well you've said that starvation and abortion are not the same, right? Then you disagree with @Vegas giants. Simple.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Duh, I did NOT say you were against that.....can you show where I said you were against that? No, you can't.

But YOU did post :
"""""""""chris155au said: ↑
And you imagine that it would be very easy to access an abortion off the books?""""

My post :

FoxHastings said: ↑
Here some real life for you, the part where it gets explained AGAIN how ALL women are NOT ALL ALIKE and NOT ALL have exactly the same circumstances as every other woman as YOU BELIEVE they are and do..

....SOME women would find getting an abortion easy especially if they are wealthy....SOME women would find it difficult to locate a place to get an abortion, some women find it mildly difficult, some women wouldn't be able to access one at all....

SEE how that works...all different circumstances....it's not a stockyard."""""

SHEESH! Do you need any more detailed explanation or could you just figure something out for yourself for a change?

What has Doof got to do with our exchange? You know , what YOU stated and what I answered.....

No they wouldn't say that because a CHILD is one who has been BORN , BORN, that word that you clearly need to research and learn it's meanings because it appears you still don't know the difference between born and UNborn.


I have explained several times to you that people do not have rights until birth.

There are laws against murdering born people because if there was no control there would be chaos in society.

Abortion does not create chaos but murder, unchecked, would and if you can't see the difference between killing actual born people and those who never did enter the world as an individual then I don't think any amount of explaining will help.....once someone is against women'sr ight to their own bodies it's hard to change them..

 

They are not the same. You are out in left field

 

Through an action which DIRECTLY kills them? No, of course not, but that's not what the removal of life support is.

 

Then why did you say this?:

 

Duh, I never said you did!!! Why do you always get so confused????

I CLEARLY posted : ""Even if the cord is still attached you cannot put the fetus back...."""


I pointed out that it can't go back in....so it is BORN....

Uh, duh, they kinda go together but since you never dared picked up that biology book and read something about pregnancy and childbirth I guess you wouldn't know that...

As you have been told several hundred times, a woman can CHOOSE to do anything she wants just like any other person.


Why would a woman do that?

Why would a doctor follow her instructions?

 

No adult should be so ignorant of medical science that they don't know unborn children feel the same paid just before they're born that they feel just after they're born.

While you might have do an actual "Google Search" to see how early in an unborn child's life they start to feel pain, I shouldn't have to tell you the unborn feel pain at some point..

https://oneofus.eu/2013/05/expert-tells-congress-unborn-babies-can-feel-pain-starting-at-8-weeks/

Just in case you're as good at understanding math as you are at understanding life, 8 weeks is 56 days. Just under 2 months after pregnancy occurs.

Also, medical science has proven to a 100% certainty that an unborn child is a separate person from his/her mother.

 

No adult should be so ignorant as to think fetuses are aborted just before they're born....but some are.

Yes, they do...(and YOU can't say when that is )…..but they are aborted before that.

A biased Pro-"Life" site.

NO, "science" does not say that.

And "science" does NOT determine who has rights.

 

1. Correct - People like PP that make a living killing children don't publish the fact that their victims suffer. That would be bad for business.

2. Correct. Science doed not grant rights. God grants right. Governments guarantee then or take them away. God made all children in His image with the inherent right to live. Governments decided to take campaign donations from people that kill children for profit, and take that right away from children.

 

1. Completely false

2. Completely false

 

Easiest way to end the debate is to never get pregnant.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No adult should be so ignorant as to think fetuses are aborted just before they're born....but some are.







Yes, they do...(and YOU can't say when that is )…..but they are aborted before that.

A biased Pro-"Life" site.

NO, "science" does not say that.

And "science" does NOT determine who has rights.

Prove PP kills children. You can't because they don't.

Calling abortion "killing children" is nothing but emotional hyperbole which is all the Anti-Coicers have

PP says no such thing because lying is wrong....sorry I had to explain that to you.

No, imaginary beings do NOT grant legal rights.

Tell that to MAGA Trump supporters who want a wall built to keep out suffering endangered children, children put in cages to be victimized and die without adequate medical care after being ripped from their parents.


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That's just more hysterical hyperbole because you have no facts...