So you believe in a not crazy world the woman who had an abortion deserves some serious jail time? Should the charges be the same as if she killed her 3 year old?
What value does the law put on the unborn? Woman's choice - zero. Killed by 3rd party - 14 years worth. So... What value does a woman seeking an abortion put on the unborn - zero. No value whatsoever. If they were sensible, they wouldn't be in that predicament. Maybe they should make her choices before opening their legs.
You just said it's worth 14 years for killing it. Yes, the murdered took away the woman's choice (sound familiar?), a heinous thing to do. Which is her right, it's her body. Many sensible women get pregnant and have abortions....no matter how you denigrate women they are not as bad as you seem to think. Yes, for Anti-Choicers it ALWAYS boils down to some version of " She should be punished for having sex". That says more about them then they'll ever realize.
Many responsible women get pregnant and have abortions. It's very responsible to not have a kid one doesn't want or can't afford. No matter how you denigrate women they are human …. that doesn't mean their rights can be taken away to suit you.
Yeah a crazy world that can’t see the inconsistency of the law I’ll agree. Interesting that the woman’s life is worth 26 years and the “child” is only 14 years don’t you think?
Nothing like some good ol authoritarianism for ya. We’re gonna punish you for making your our choices in life because we think we know better. These are the same people who are okay with abortion in the case of rape or the death of the mother. Just proving the life of the precious “child” is inconsequential and instead just pushing their own agenda of anti freedom of choice is what’s important to them.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Many responsible women get pregnant and have abortions. It's very responsible to not have a kid one doesn't want or can't afford. No matter how you denigrate women they are human …. that doesn't mean their rights can be taken away to suit you. I like how you can't address my post ...
Thank you for not answering my questions. You must not have the power of your convictions. Society puts a value on a viable fetus and a woman has to judge the value of the fetus versus what is going on in her life and future life. Do you have the right to ask someone to leave your house even if you left the door open?
But you're punishing the other person for physical harm that wasn't actually inflicted on the mother. (Unless you're making the "a fetus is a part of the mother's body" argument)
Yes but you're seeking to punish the perpetrator far above and beyond just what the amount of physical damage that was done to the woman is. (Unless you're saying gut punching a woman who is pregnant is the same as punching a woman who is not pregnant)
I never said what punishment I would agree with. But yes assaulting a pregnant woman should deem a more significant charge than if they weren’t if that’s what your going on about.
A fetus does experience pain during an abortion. Pain receptors are present at 7 weeks of gestation, and are present in their whole body by 20 weeks. https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-science-of-fetal-pain/
You don’t think assaulting a pregnant woman causing her to miscarriage causes her more harm than not? What is your point?
The pro-choice side is intellectually dishonest. They would be more than ready to punish a perpetrator for death caused to a fetus, if that perpetrator did not have the consent of the woman. However, because of their position, it's hard for most pro-choicers to admit to that. Then you'll try to skedaddle across the issue by talking about how a miscarriage is uncomfortable and does harm to a woman. (which is intellectually disingenuous, in my opinion)
There’s nothing disingenuous about it. The reason it should be punishable is because it causes harm on the woman. What about that doesn’t compute?
My argument is that a fetus does not have rights because it is not a conscious being. A beings ability to experience pain and suffering is what we place value on and thus prescibe rights to. Whether someone admits it or not it’s the reason why we all determine whether something has the right to life or not.
Yeah it doesn’t have the ability to experience pain the same as you or I. Consciousness is a continuum in all of life. While an ant and a human both can experience pain, there is a distinct difference between the two and that is what we place value on when making ethical decisions. The fetus can never have rights above the mother because of this, thus leading to no rights at all.
According to science, it does. I don't suppose you bothered reading the link I gave you. No, a human being is not an ant. I like how you attributed it to an insect though. A fetus does have rights, depending on who kills it. If someone kills it on the way to being aborted, they are charged with murder.
NO, if someone kills a fetus without the woman's permission they may be charged with a crime but that doesn't mean the fetus has rights... …....the UVVA (Unborn Victims of Violence Act) did NOT and canNOT bestow rights. It gives the fetus PROTECTION NOT rights. NO, rights are not dependent on who kills the fetus......that's just silly and wrong.