What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

The wall is still opposed by a majority of voters. The numbers have remained precisely the same over the last month while Trump's approval has dropped and the number of individuals who blame trump for the shutdown has increased.

 

Trump couldn't get Mexico to pay for the wall, so he is trying to make American taxpayers pay twice as much.

 

"As noted, while more still oppose rather than back a wall, support has increased to 42 percent, up from 34 percent a year ago and a previous high of 37 percent in 2017. Opposition, 54 percent, is down from 63 percent a year ago and a previous low of 60 percent two years ago."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-gop-blamed-shutdown-crisis-fewer-oppose-wall/story?id=60337670

 

Lets just look at your poll.
42% support it 54% oppose it.
53% blame Trump and the GOP. 29% the Dems.
79% think it will be a problem if it continues.
66% oppose using emergency powers to build it including 70% of independents.
25% think it's a crisis.

Yep you got a winner there all right. Give it hell.

 

Excellent example of the half truths the left is so good at propogating. The whole story when presented paints a different picture of a changing trend in public opinion.

"support has increased to 42 percent, up from 34 percent a year ago and a previous high of 37 percent in 2017. Opposition, 54 percent, is down from 63 percent a year ago and a previous low of 60 percent two years ago."

 

Yeah, your only 12 points under water now.
A year ago no one heard about caravans.
Keep up the good work.

 

I don't know that any president is supposed to stick his finger to the wind to decide if something is good policy.

I think Trump should tell Congress "I am invoking emergency powers in 14 days. Feel free to file for an injunction and we'll see what the court say."

District judges do this all the time: "I think that this law is unconstitutional, but I am not going to order any action because I think my decision should be reviewed by a higher court."

 

Because he is just playing politics and politics says invoking emergency powers is an even bigger loser.

 

He's intentionally sabotaging his own presidency?

I kind of doubt it.

 

Bluff...

 

What would constitute a border emergency by your (anyone's here) standard?

To be clear, I am 1) sympathetic to Trump's desire for the wall, not only because it will definitely deter some, if not all, illegal entries. And at least he's trying. What are you doing, besides complaining and criticizing?

2) I do not believe the current state of the border constitutes an "emergency", unless and until the Border Patrol certifies that substantially more illegals are evading detection than are being caught, or that a substantial number are carrying infectious diseases.

3) I did not vote for Trump, because he had no experience in governance and is just plain shady at best; but I am tempted to vote for him in 2020 because the left is insane, and because 2018 was actually a very good year by several metrics. If you don't know this, you are either in denial, consumed with hatred, or crazy.

 

The wall and the shutdown should be judged on their own merits, not on "how many people are mad at Trump today?"

 

We love border security. But we hate half baked plans for it.

 

I didn't ask you that, but I'm delighted to hear it.

 

If Trump felt that way he would open the government and start talks about comprehensive immigration reform.
But he won't do that because his followers don't like it.

 

What would "comprehensive immigration reform" include?

 

Cutting welfare benefits, harsh penalties to people who hire illegal workers come to mind. This silly wall will have predictably little impact on anything.

 

• increase border patrol agents
• fund 350 miles of smart fence
• implement e verify
• implement electronic tracking visas
• provide provisional legal status to people already here. No bennies, deportation for serious crimes. Green card after 10 years - 5 years for dreamers.
• Increase H1B visas
• Eliminate diversity visas
• Streamline worker visa program

Whatca think?

 

Ending birthright citizenship when neither parent is a citizen would also do wonders.
Just putting massive fines against employers would have an overnight effect.

Mandatory e-verify, employer penalties, federal sanctions against sanctuary cities, end all federal and state welfare programs while also speeding up legal immigration and deportation. Make it so it is impossible to have any semblance of a life here illegally.

 

I was asking ronv, but am glad for your input. (I am guessing you don't agree, ron?) What harsh penalties do you have in mind?

Border Patrol agent on the ground at the border, doing real enforcement for a living, don't see it as you do. Should give you pause.

 

As mentioned, you could put 50 million agents on the border and it wouldn't prevent mobs from showing up, stepping one foot across the border, demanding asylum, and being released because we can't house them all in a way that will satisfy the ACLU and like-minded judges.

If by smart fence you mean a detection device, it leaves us with the same problem. If you mean a fence that shocks border crossers like wayward dogs, it will be deemed cruel.

Implement e-verify? Most illegals work off the books, and as independent contractors.

Increase H1B visas? Those are for educated aliens in highly specialized occupations. It won't address the unskilled and uneducated aliens.

Electronic tracking visas? Fine with me, but again that's only for people who enter legally in the first place. Overstays are a problem, no doubt.

Provisional legal status to everyone here? That's amnesty for gate crashers. No, thanks.

Diversity visas? They were always ridiculous.

Streamline worker visa program? Okay. But that's very easy to say. "Let's streamline it!"

 

Actually if you implemented the plan I posted, I'm not sure you would need any harsh penalties except deportation.
If you don't like sanctuary cities pay the local jails to hold them until ICE picks them up. It is the FEDs job to control immigration, not state and local police. If and when they run out of room they let all but the worst go.
What parts don't border control agents like?

 

Yes, but not a significant effect in terms of the total number of illegals working, not as employees, but as independent contractors: builders, framers, carpet installers, cleaners, gardeners, roofers ....

The left has a defensible argument here: Americans simply will not go up on a hot roof in July and replace shingles after a hail storm.

I think you meant ICE agents when you said border patrol agents. That's fine with me, but you'd better triple the number of immigration judges, and then you need to quintuple the number of jails, because you can't summarily deport anyone under the constitution. They are entitled to a hearing. Admittedly many of them waive their hearings.

 

That is incorrect, Americans will do it — I have worked on tar roofs and boilers in industrial construction with 125 degree outside temperatures and on top of open framed buildings 100’ in the air with 0 degree temperatures — they just expect to be paid for those extremes.

The more judges we have the quicker the cases can be handled. I have some more extreme ideas but I would rather then remain in my head.

 

I didn't even need to read the URL to know that it was a Rasmussen poll..