Trump to address nation regarding the national security crisis on the border

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    so you claim. Haven't seen any evidence?
     
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    Only in the Trump marriage bed.
     
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    Trump has Pelosi running scared. She tries to lie her way out of the public reckoning coming at the SOTU address.
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    PELOSI LIED! DHS Say There Is “No Security Problem for the SOTU”
     
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    Can you not read. The government employees affected by the shutdown.
     
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    How does that address the point that there is no plan for a wall beyond grabbing the money

    You know the money that Trump has tried to swindle off of the disaster relief funds?
     
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    Do your homework.
     
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    How can you be shown a 'plan' when it hasn't been finalized yet? All the details have yet to worked out, comparisons made, input from specialists and engineers, etc. Finding information is difficult on the new Google, I've noticed. You have to wade through several pages of criticisms before you can discover what's going on so some perseverance is required.
     
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    Fake news slander, but nice try at a diversion!

    Lying Pelosi knows a Trump Sized Ass-Kicking is coming her way at the SOTU address, before a National Audience where she is expected to pop up and down and enthusiastically applaud as Trump takes her and the Open Borders Democrats to task for all the Rapes, Murders and Crime that Open Borders Democrats loose on this nation. They are so committed to Open Borders, that they would rather Shut Down the Government than Secure The Border.

    So Lying Nancy, tried to lie her way out of it, but got busted!

    PELOSI LIED! DHS Say There Is “No Security Problem for the SOTU”

    The Department of Homeland Security refuted the Speaker’s claims — The Secret Service is ready for the SOTU:

    Senior DHS official says the Secret Service is ready for President Trump’s State of the Union on January 29 and that no one from Nancy Pelosi’s office checked with the Secret Service before requesting delay

    BUSTED!
     
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    Fake news slander, but nice try at a diversion!

    Lying Pelosi knows a Trump Sized Ass-Kicking is coming her way at the SOTU address, before a National Audience where she is expected to pop up and down and enthusiastically applaud as Trump takes her and the Open Borders Democrats to task for all the Rapes, Murders and Crime that Open Borders Democrats loose on this nation. They are so committed to Open Borders, that they would rather Shut Down the Government than Secure The Border.

    So Lying Nancy, tried to lie her way out of it, but got busted!

    PELOSI LIED! DHS Say There Is “No Security Problem for the SOTU”

    The Department of Homeland Security refuted the Speaker’s claims — The Secret Service is ready for the SOTU:

    Senior DHS official says the Secret Service is ready for President Trump’s State of the Union on January 29 and that no one from Nancy Pelosi’s office checked with the Secret Service before requesting delay

    BUSTED!
     
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    Sure it is. She said No. That was down from her offer of $1.
     
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    Exactly. She never even spoke to the Secret Service before making her statement. Even those involved in providing security must be laughing at this silly woman. https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/16/...ush&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push
     
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    Google is the real hacker of our election process. The Google CEO was just shown to have committed perjury when testifying that no employee has the capability to censor content.
     
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    This is a common problem.

    However, it can be characterized. There ARE bounds on how much wall can be built for $5B, how much is allocated for repair on existing wall, etc.

    Remember we were told that it would cost $25B.

    So, I suppose we could guess that a little less than 1/4 will be built.


    The thing is, this IS important.

    There are multiple ways to slow the influx of those who stay here as undocumented aliens.

    We're being sold this one story without even the gross level of what it will accomplish, and the sales job is xenophobia spiced with lies concerning drugs, etc.

    On the other hand, we have the bipartisan bill of 2013, which includes $40B for the southern border plus attacks on other methods of coming here to stay as well as an attack on the very reason they come - jobs!


    I don't want open borders. I want the 2013 bill. It has far more chance of being effective, and resolves other issues as well.
     
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    Just Like Google, Pelosi’s stunt is just more progressive de-platforming

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    ‘Shut up,’ she explained.
     
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    She was asked a binary question - yes or no.

    She's not going to give Trump everything he asked for just because he asked what you seem to think was a masterful trick question.
     
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    Write Pelosi and demand that she pass a clean $25B bill to build the wall on the southern border. Then you have everything you want.
     
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    I can fluently nsult you in a dozen languages.

    You?
     
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    Trump to address nation regarding the national security crisis on the border

    If the U.S. is building a wall to thwart Mexicans from entering the U.S. between border crossings then I expect some graffiti to appear at the border crossing themselves:

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    Sure ... what was again the last terror act by one of the so called terror groups which are backed by Iran again? Ehm ... these permanent warfare between Israel and Hamas you will say? Well ... the question here is seriously who is the terrorist of both and who not! I know ... you will deny that Israel is, but I have a clear orher opinion about Israel and his illegal actions which are the cause for the reaction of the HAMAS after.

    And about Hezbollah... since years nothing anymore, aside fact that they help Assad. But if you really blame them for this, well ... you better fell ashame and look into the mirror of own bad supports and actions.

    And about Houthi rebels in Yemen? They are no terrorists, they are rebells fighting against a bloody dictatorship govenment which is backed by terrorist supporter no. 1 Saudi Arabien and you ... so again the good question who is here the terrorist and who not.
    Sure, in Yemen as in other places act also Al Qaeda and IS and some other groups as latest in Kenia Al Shabab etc. ... but they are fro sure not financed by Iran, because Iran is their enemy du to the old Sunni and Shia conflict in Islam!

    Facts ... Facts ... Facts ...
     
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    Are you American? I ask, becuase obviously yu have no clue what is going on in your own country ... they have estimated 5,000 members in 2016 their leader called to vote for Donald Trump. Is Donald Democrat?

    Democrats were in the past supported by the racist scum, but this has totally changed about 50 years agao and since then this scum is supporting the Republicans and electing Republican! Wake up, face the truth and facts and don't blabber bullcrap!
     
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    Seriously asked? Really? Come on ... this can't be true that you didn't get what Trump told all about them... O dear!

    #1 example

    “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

    –Real estate mogul Donald Trump, presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

    #2 example

    “I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

    –Trump, interview on Fox News’ “Media Buzz,” July 5, 2015

    # 3 example

    “What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

    –Trump, statement about his June 16 comments, July 6, 2015

    Enough examples about the lies of Donald Trump here and your question answered now?
    And by the way ... Trump was until now not able to back his claims here with facts ... but official digits of US authorities refuse him and his claims!
     
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    Facts ... Facts ... Facts ...

    #1
    10.7 million
    That's the latest estimate of the number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States, according to the Pew Research Center. That's less than 4% of the total US population.

    #2
    105,140
    The number of immigrants ICE arrested in fiscal year 2018 who were convicted criminals. ICE says it's committed to targeting "criminal aliens" for arrest and removal. Advocates accuse ICE of inflating statistics about criminals by including minor charges such as traffic offenses in its tally.

    #3
    83,573
    The number of inmates in state and federal prisons who are not US citizens, according to the latest prison population report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That's less than 6% of the total prison population. The report says that the total number of inmates who are not US citizens could, in fact, be higher, noting that some states may have undercounted this figure and others did not provide information. A past report from the bureau cautioned that different jurisdictions use different definitions for "noncitizens," at times basing the statistic on where people were born regardless of their citizenship status.

    #4
    21%
    Administration officials have noted that roughly one in five inmates in federal prison are foreign-born, and that the vast majority of those people are in the United States illegally. They argue such statistics show the dangers illegal immigration poses to society. "The illegal immigrant crime rate in this country should be zero," US Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement earlier this year. "Every crime committed by an illegal alien is, by definition, a crime that should have been prevented."
    Advocates have slammed statistics released by the administration. "The vast majority of immigrants in federal prison are there for crimes that only immigrants can be charged with -- illegal entry and illegal entry after removal," Tom Jawetz, the vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, told The New York Times in 2017. "When you cook the books you shouldn't pretend to be surprised by the results."

    #5
    719
    The criminal conviction rate per 100,000 immigrants in Texas. This number comes from a study by the Cato Institute, which uses figures from Texas in 2015 as a case study to look at how crime rates compare among immigrant and native-born populations.
    "The criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were well below those of native-born Americans," Cato's Alex Nowrasteh wrote.
    According to the libertarian think tank's analysis, the rate per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation was 899 for undocumented immigrants, 611 for legal immigrants and 1,797 for native-born Americans.

    #6
    142%
    This is how much more likely undocumented immigrants are to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans, according to a study of data in that state by economist John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center.
    This study has been pointed to by the Justice Department and by a number of politicians and organizations who favor restricting immigration. It's also drawn sharp criticism from the Cato Institute and other researchers, who argue that the study misinterpreted data. Lott has stood by his research.
    An analysis of the study and critiques by The Washington Post's Fact Checker was inconclusive.

    #7
    25
    The number of years of crime and immigration data researchers looked at in a recent study published in the journal Criminology. "Increases in the undocumented immigrant population within states are associated with significant decreases in the prevalence of violence," authors Michael Light and Ty Miller wrote. An analysis of data from 1990-2014, they said, suggests "undocumented immigration over this period is generally associated with decreasing violent crime."
    The authors noted that more research needs to be done, and that it's possible the data could be interpreted differently.
    "Because we are using official crime statistics," they wrote, "there is a plausible alternative interpretation: Increased unauthorized immigration results in fewer crimes reported to the police."
    In a release from the University of Wisconsin-Madison announcing the study's findings, Light, a sociology professor, said it's important to look at data as the immigration debate continues.
    "I think public debate divorced entirely from data is problematic," he said. "There are reasons to think undocumented immigrants would increase crime, but the data doesn't support those arguments. It's telling us that has not been the case."
     

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