FoxHastings said: ↑ So what if it was torn apart? It may have saved the woman's life and you still have NO proof it felt pain. I didn't say it was "lovely" AS YOU CLAIMED, I said, """So what if it was torn apart? It may have saved the woman's life and you still have NO proof it felt pain."" Good GAWD! Can you explain WTF that has to do with anything? C'mon, you think you are so right so tell me what that has to do with a fetuses ability to feel pain or the right women have to their own body? FOR A CHANGE back up what you post ….can you do that??? No, nor do I erroneously think like you do that fetuses feel pain from conception. Good grief…."English much"
Yes, all women other than rape victims have the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE to say no to sexual congress which may lead to an unwanted pregnancy. I realise you have trouble with the idea of women having a choice, and feel that all incidents of sexual congress are somehow how forced, but that's a personal issue you need to work out. It has no bearing on reality.
DUHHH, in the abortion issue the freedom to choose refers to the right of women to choose either abortion or gestation....not what they do in other areas of their life
FoxHastings said: ↑ Most women feel relief after an abortion. Many women's lives are adversely affected by having children. Oh cut the crap....I don't KNOW all these women, I looked up facts about abortion, on a non-biased site, and found the fact that most women feel relief. Which makes sense since That IS why they get an abortion, they don't want to be pregnant and so naturally feel relief once they aren't. And many women's lives are adversely affected by having children. The POINT is it is up to the woman herself to decide …...the same right everyone else has..
Do you know for a fact most women feel relief? Ive heard very different. If Many women's lives are adversely affected bu having kids, humanity is in trouble. lol seriously. Ill go with some women's lives are.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Most women feel relief after an abortion. Many women's lives are adversely affected by having children. Either way it is THEIR life and no one else's to control or determine....or judge. I looked up facts about abortion, on a non-biased site, and found the fact that most women feel relief. Which makes sense since That IS why they get an abortion, they don't want to be pregnant and so naturally feel relief once they aren't. And many women's lives are adversely affected by having children. The POINT is it is up to the woman herself to decide (not you)…...the same right everyone else has..
One can't happen without the other. The first and most important choice is to proceed (or not) with the thing which makes babies. What you're saying is akin to: I really really want to eat a poisonous stone fish, and in fact I want it so badly that it's like being forced (by the stone fish? stone fish mouth rape?). I know the antidote requires the sacrifice of a puppy, but I just don't care. Because I'm forced.
FoxHastings said: ↑ DUHHH, in the abortion issue the freedom to choose refers to the right of women to choose either abortion or gestation....not what they do in other areas of their life So? Despite what you think having sex is not a crime and consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.. DUHHH, in the abortion issue the freedom to choose refers to the right of women to choose either abortion or gestation....not what they do in other areas of their life Uh, I'll leave the stone fish/puppy fantasy gibberish to you alone...
'other areas of their life'? as though it has nothing to do with the unwanted pregnancy? wow .. you're really scraping the bottom of that cheesy old barrel now, Fox.
FoxHastings said: ↑ DUHHH, in the abortion issue the freedom to choose refers to the right of women to choose either abortion or gestation....not what they do in other areas of their life No, I'm not . I explained to you that Pro-Choice means that women should retain the right to their own bodies by being able to choose gestation or abortion. If YOU want to add on every life decision that's on you....it does NOT make it true.
You are aware that sexual congress between males and females produces pregnancies, right? Is it time for you to revisit the birds and bees, Fox?
Maybe it's time for you to visit laws and facts for the first time... You are aware that every "sexual congress" does not produce a pregnancy ? Heck, having FUN sex doesn't always produce a pregnancy !! You should be aware that consent to one act is not consent to any other act.
Fallacious gibberish dressed up as an argument. Unless you can prove your claim that "a child" exists in the early stages of pregnancy - you calling the entity at that stage "a child" is fallacy. Second - just because one might claim a child exists in the later stages of pregnancy - does not mean a child exists at conception. Assuming the status of the entity is the same throughout pregnancy is your second fallacy. The third fallacy is a kind of twist on personification - attributing human attributes to something that is not a human.
I watched my child on ultrasound. I have watched her for over 30 years since then as she's grown into the parent of my grandchild. Have you ever looked at a child and been puzzled at what you were looking at?
What puzzles me is your inability to respond to the points made in my post - and the fact that after having the fallacies in your first post pointed out to you - you continue to make the same fallacies. I suppose I am puzzled in general by the stupidity of the raging masses. That said - everyone makes mistakes - we are all stupid in some ways. The fool however is the one who - after having the mistake pointed out - continues to make that mistake.
You made the mistake when you denied human rights and started pretending children are a dispensable commodity.
So you follow up on mindless fallacy - with more mindless fallacy - even though this fallacy was pointed out to you. I have not done any of the things you have attributed to me - Mr. Strawman. You on the other hand - are the control freak - who wants to force your unsubstantiated gibberish on others through physical violence - and deny human rights. The trait of a true leftist tyrant. That's a neat trick - projecting your faults onto others
You claim "absolute certainty" and you do not even have the domain correct. ( "Medical Science" is not the subject matter domain that determines what a human is) If you had some clue what you were talking about you would know that the domain science is Biology - sub domain Human Taxonomy. According to the Domain Science for human classification - a Zygote does not even come close to having the characteristics required - not having membership in the right clubs such as "Order" "Family", "Class" and so on. The basics of this subject are taught in High School Biology. If you did have a clue what you were talking about you would know that there are 5 different scientific perspectives on "when human life begins" - Metabolic, Genetic, Embryological, Neurological, Ecological. Now one if the above perspectives does indeed claim that "human life" begins at conception. In order to claim "absolute certainty" you must first refute the other 4 perspective that contradict the Genetic Perspective. So then - I await for you to prove your claim of "absolute certainty" and refute the other 4 perspectives. Don't worry - I won't be holding my breath
I guess you never had an accident in your life. Sometimes a woman may be stupid and have unprotected sex on the spur of the moment or in the heat of passion. She has to suffer the consequences which is a painful abortion. You don’t miss an aborted Fetus. Oh how I miss that little boy I might have had if I had sex the day before
