Medicare For All is best way to capitalism:

The US spends 3.5 trill on healthcare now. But don't you think that your premise that the cost of care for the oldest 15% percent of our populations healthcare expenses should be extrapolated across the remaining population? You also do not count the VA, Military and medicaid part of our population that is already covered by the government. or their contributions to federal employees, our contributions to state and local workers healthcare portion of their wage benefit package.

The nation is spending 3.5 trill now, the only thing that will change is how that money is collected, Before I retired, my employer was paying almost 10 grand a year for his 80% of my policy cost. Why the hell is it his responsibility to pay my healthcare for my family, when other companies would not. In the early 80s, 50% or more of american workers got a defined retired benefit, those numbers are now less than 1/3rd of that. In the next few years as american companies cut costs to compete, medical care benefits will continue to be dropped even more quickly than they have in the last twenty years.

 

All the answers to those questions are on the linked website. The AtlasMD in Wichita is a clinic that offers specific services and they publish their prices for everything they do. If you need a service they don't offer you would have to frequent a different establishment, like the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, where they publish their prices and offer various surgical services.

 

I didn't miss the point. My point is that increasing a socialist single payer system will not get us to capitalism. The only way to get to capitalism is to eschew the socialist system in favor of a free market system where all participation is voluntary.

 

Published pricing is a good thing but not necessary to capitalism as a person can (foolishly) voluntarily agree to a service without knowing the price. As long as the transaction is voluntary between all participants to the transaction that is free market capitalism. The price or existence of co pays would be a market function in free market capitalism but the price of co pays in a government imposed system is irrelevant to capitalism as it isn't voluntary.

What you're describing isn't a way to get to capitalism, its a way to get to a central planning government bureaucracy, forced participation and more loss of individual freedom and responsibility.

 

I think public schools are a failure all around.

your kids were very lucky to have such devoted parents, and good for you for being devoted parents. But that isn't the public schools.

I had D's and Fs except in math, I made strait As when I was in school. My parents were involved they made sure I understood the subjects and so forth. And I thought I was stupid. However in college I had a 4.0. I realized I was pretty smart, I had a lot of trouble with language arts and reading because of the bull **** they wanted me to read and remember. I thought hated history until I got into college.

My husband is a public school teacher he just started this year and I couldn't be prouder of him, and he is a literature teacher. But he recognizes the problems with Public School.

 

I didn't say it would get us to capitalism. I said it is the fastest way to get there if that is where we want to go. Medicare for all would be a simple matter and adding names to a list, and capitalism would be a simple matter of publishing prices and raising copays, Now do you understand?

can you imagine getting there some other way that would not be 100000 times harder??

 

more central planning?? when people are shopping with their own money and prices are published you have, mostly, capitalism. There is no central planning in medicare.

 

who cares? medicare for all is the faster way to get to capitalism by 1000 times. It would be painless while any other way would be a million times harder

 

What would people shop for under medicare?
Be specific

 

best doctor, best treatments, best equipment, best location, best prices. See how easy that was??

 

They shop for best location, best doctor, best equip, best treatments now.

There are no prices to shop for in a Medicare system. All prices are set and uniform.
How do you plan on shopping for best price?

 

dear, best when you are paying and when you are not are two very different things. Remember, you are the liberal here.

 

you have learned 67 times now that prices would be published. Shall we go for 68??

 

I already have those options. Why would I support Medicare For All?

 

in a competitive capitalist system the best would be better because their livelihood would depend on it.

 

And once they find the "best" of everything, who will be paying for it?

So are these "best" who are getting "better" be paid more than those not as good? Will we be sending the poor people to the lesser doctors?

 

they're all uniform. Publish whatever you want.
There is no bargain shopping.

 

The "best way to capitalism". Let's see what a wealthy American has to say about this Medicare For All.
Take it away Mike:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...berg-you-could-never-afford-medicare-for-all/

 

ideally, patients will be paying for it, or in some cases govt will be paying. And????????

 

If would be like cars, quality tends to equalize among the survivors. 1+1=2

 

do you read? can you tell us what main point of article is??

 

obviously, providers would be free to publish whatever prices they wanted. 1+1=2

 

but you don't have a choice where you get care, if you have a heart attack, or any of a thousand other scenarios. You will be taken to the nearest ER, regardless of price or quality of care.

This is why, as I've shown you, healthcare does not and can not operate in a free market.

 

cars are a commodity. healthcare is not. the 2 are in no way comparable.

 

You do realize that under Medicare the providers only get what Medicare pays? There is no shopping