Trump Slaps De-Facto Oil Ban on Venezuela

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  1. TomFitz

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    Think about the workers who lay it, and the work they won't be getting.
     
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    Incoherent nonsense.

    Socialism Endgame

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    Iranian Regime Is Sending Elite Forces to Venezuela to Assist Socialist Leaders to Crush the Popular Uprising
     
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    You mean.... the Venezuelan opposition mostly boycotted the last elections. Hence Madura was able to win with something like 65%. Imagine if they didn't boycot. Just imagine. And so Maduro won that election far more fair than Trump in the US with his Russian trolls. And now... typical, the US supports the not so elected "president" of Venezuela, and supports a coup against a democratically elected president. Same ol' same ol' that white Americans supports violent far right regimes if they just dance the way the US likes them to dance.
     
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    Trump likes hurting others. It makes him feel powerful.
     
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    Trump bombed them because they were advancing on a US artillery base. (bad idea)

    The Russians denied it because being a merc is illegal there, though they still do it.

    Trump isn't under Putins thumb, thats just leftist propaganda.

    Much as the left lamented Reagan ending the cold war, they lament the demise of Maduro in Venezuela.

    Its just the most recent reminder that socialism always fails. Every time. No exceptions.
     
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    No body lamented the end of the cold war except arms dealers. Why do you need to invent accusations?
     
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    The National Socialist German Workers' Party

    Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

    or NSDAP
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't spell Nazi without socialist.

    She appears uninformed.
     
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    How can she not know this?
     
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    He's right - the name of the National Socialist German Workers' Party is no accident or coincidence.

    In Friedrich Hayek's book The Road to Serfdom, Chapter 12 is dedicated entirely to The Socialist Roots of Nazism, and in it Hayek notes:

    "It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism [Johann Gottlieb] Fricht, [Johann Karl] Rodbertus and {Fredinand] Lassalle - are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism."

    German National Socialist ideologue Johann Plenge also noted

    "The war economy created in Germany in 1914 "is the first realization of a socialist society, and its spirit the first active, and not merely demanding, appearance of a socialist spirit. The needs of the war have established the socialist idea in German economic life, and thus the defense of our nation produced for humanity the idea of 1914, the idea of German organization, the people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) of national socialism..."

    Historian George Watson also explained the unique, yet still socialist, nature of German National Socialism in his book The Lost Literature of Socialism, from which an excerpt is published in this article:

    Likewise, Benito Mussolini noted the socialist roots of Fascism:

    "...in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists..."
     
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    Public schools/leftist indoctrination is a possibility.
     
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    Probably, and the Left's unwillingness to accept responsibility for the most destructive ideologies of the 20th Century.

    A classic example of that is the sh*t storm that erupted on the Left after the publication of Le Livre noir du communisme: Crimes, terreur, répression (The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression). As Jean-François Revel noted in his book Last Exit to Utopia: The Survival of Socialism in a Post-Soviet Era, the backlash was particularly furious in France where the book was first published. It was one thing for the Left to be confronted with its mistakes and failures, but it was quite another to be confronted with its crimes against humanity.
     
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    Manuro is of no use to the USA, just bilgewater flotsam. Juan Guaido might be friendly. And he couldn't possibly do worse for his people.
     
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    They sure did. Though the same leftists were thrilled to cut the military to pay for pet social programs.

    Character and Ideology: The Case of Cold War Liberalism
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/23012541?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
     
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    The Cold war lasted too long and caused the US to make some terrible foreign policy blunders.
     
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    That woman isn't just stupid, she is dangerously stupid!
     
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    Hitler tried to kill all so cialist and communists. Mussolini was a fascist embraced by italan conservatives. Nazism was simply
    Look it up. Nazism . was another form of fascism that was embraced by Italian conservatives.
     
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    Guess you noticed OPEC made a big price jump since Trump announced his sanctions on VZ oil.
     
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    Trump wants to make things worse for VZ.
     
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    Because...?
     
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    Because he can and because he is ignorant about VZ s history and the facts of their last election.
     
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    Do your homework. Hitler embraced existing capitalism and killed socialists and communists. His was conservative, totalitarianism and capitalism.
     
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    Hitler killed or imprisoned all his opponents, just as Lenin did, and both of them had no qualms about suppressing or executing their fellow socialists.

    I believe the Watson article I provided to you explains to some degree the difference between Hitler's National Socialists and the internationalist Marxists they were competing with.

    As for Mussolini, I have already cited his quote where he traces the roots of fascism to Sorel, Peguy and Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists. This shouldn't be surprising given that Mussolini himself was a prominent member of the Italian Socialist Party before he was expelled for supporting Italy's involvement in World War I.

    Here's a little quote from Mussolini's manifesto, "The Doctrine of Fascism" - it will tell you a lot about his party's political and ideological alignment:

    "Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."

    That's a distinctly Leftist position Mussolini has staked out for himself and his party.

    I guess one out of three ain't bad.

    While Hitler and the Nazis were definitely totalitarians like most of their comrades on the Left, they were anything but conservative and capitalist. Hitler was quite clear about this:

    Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good
    -- August 15, 1920

    To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.
    -- May 4, 1931


    I am a socialist, and a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Reventlow. I was once an ordinary workingman… But your kind of socialism is nothing but Marxism.
    -- 1940

    We shall banish want; we shall banish fear. The essence of National Socialism is human welfare. ... National Socialism is the revolution of the common man. Rooted in a fuller life for every German from childhood to old age, National Socialism means a new day of abundance at home and a better world order abroad.
    --1944


    That wasn't very nice of you to tell US Conservative to "do your homework" when it's clear that you haven't been doing your own. It's a common misconception that Hitler and the Nazis weren't socialists and ignorance and Leftist propaganda are largely responsible for that misconception. However, if one takes the time to study German National Socialism and its socialist roots it becomes clear that it is indeed a form of socialism, albeit a peculiar form that doesn't share some of the attributes we commonly associate with socialism.
     
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