Should Muslims convert or?

Correct. you remain just as wrong now, as you were the first time.

the OT calls for murder and rape. Jesus specifically says he is not abolishing the old law.

All religions are retarded. But your irrational fear and hatred of islam is just silly.

 

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NO, Mathew said, that Jesus said.
and nobody knows who wrote Mathew
And they did abolish the 613 laws of the Torah, even the Jews don't follow most of them.
The ten commandments are the only ones left.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

 

nope................

Matthew 5:17

 

sorry. you were proven wrong.

 

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Poor baby.

And hey, I grew up in a hard core Protestant church.
How come I never heard of what you claim.
In fact, I heard it completely opposite.

When was the last time you had a Christian stoning.
Last one I heard of is where Jesus tells the people.
Let he who has not sinned, cast the first stone.

So I guess Jesus went against his own law when he stopped it.

 

you were proven wrong, sorry. your irrational hatred and fear of islam is just silly.

 

Oh no, the fear of Islam is very, very rational.
Fail. Please try again.

 

He rants this bullsh-t.

Doesn't know the first thing about Christianity or Islam,
but rants something someone else told him.
And after being proven wrong, still continues.

 

not in any way rational. I don't need to try anything. I've already shown the silliness.

 

Actually it's not unless you are living in Syria or Afghanistan.

 

Actually it is all over the world.

We won't see major amounts of stuff, until the Muslim population gets bigger,
Though we still may see a 9/11 type anytime.
Probably a nuke, dirty bomb, or chemical.

 

You Islamic apologetism is dully noted, again.
Unfortunately for you, Muhammad was a thug, a gangster. And a pedophile, btw.
And fortunately for us, the majority of Muslims are "bad" Muslim, that is they often ignore what Muhammad said and done. Thank God for that, otherwise this would be one HELL of a world.

 

One of the things I have noticed over the years, is that Most Muslims don't know what Muhammed said and did.
They get whatever story someone tells them, and never bother to read it themselves.


What is scary about this, is that they are already brainwashed into a cult, and the cleric can tell you, and show you, what Allah and Muhammed want you to do.

 

The Muslim terrorists mostly kill other Muslims. Most terrorists are poorly educated and come out of the gutters of drug addcttion and or alcoholism. Like you they know very little about Islam. You are actually very helpful to them. Turning the West and Christians against all Muslims is the lynchpin of their strategy.... Hitler controlled the Germans against all Jews by demonizing them and their religion just as you are trying to do towards all Muslims. Education would help, but you are clearly against education.

 

Everything you just said applies to Christians and even more so, because a lot of Christians know what they're really supposed to do and deliberately don't do it, but still regard themselves as good Christians. How else do you explain the fact that many Chiliastic Christians are violent and warlike while following a religion whose basic precept is; "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love"

At least Muslims have a sort of justification for being warlike and don't go around saying how mild and meek and loving they are while burning you at the stake
(and again, the vast VAST majority of them are not warlike or hostile or anything at all Muslims, Jews. Presbyterians and Inuit, they all just PEOPLE ;
caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth.”)

 

Considering the works of Jesus are in 4 books they are pretty common.

I remember reading from them in sunday school and church, growing up.
Most Christian sermons are about Jesus, quoting works attributed to him.

NO. Christians have lots of access to the works of Jesus, and encouragement to read them.

What they do with them is up to them, but the opportunity is there.


Christians who commit offences are violating the teachings of Jesus.
Muslims who commit offences are following the teachings of Muhammed.

 

And yet, Muslims have been rulers of the most diverse countries in the world for over a millennia. Jews and Christians have always existed within the Islamic world, whereas European Christians periodically try and destroy entire populations as a matter of state policy.

Huh, it's almost like you're claiming some connection between doctrine and behavior that isn't substantiated by historical evidence.

 

You seem to be overlooking an important part, is that intentional.

Jews and Christians on Muslim land are Dhimmine's, and pay the Zakat tax to be allowed to live.
2 nd class citizens, they have no rights.

But they are protected by the government.

There were times in Islamic countries where people were not allowed to convert, because it affected the economy.
They needed that money generated by the Dhimine's.

 

I'm not overlooking anything. The Dhimmi system is a pretty well-known historical concept.

They do have rights. And not just the Enlightenment conception of rights as recognized by modern Islamic countries, they had something older and more basic, collective rights as religious sub-groups within an empire, a concept going back to Cyrus.

I would rather live the life of a Copt in 18th Century Egypt than a black in 18th Century America, I would rather live the life of a Jew under Ottoman rule than the life of a Jew under European Christians in the 16th Century.

The fact of the matter, the very simple and straightforward fact that you have to face if you want to be intellectually honest, is that for over a millennia the Islamic world has been the most cosmopolitan, diverse, and tolerant of all the world's major civilization groups. Has this changed lately? Oh yes. But how could the connection to doctrine be anything other than tangential given the actual historical tendency?

 

That's right, Islam praises Multiculturalism because the Islamic caliphate was multicultural. (Sounds familiar?)
Too bad the Dhimmis were second class citizens (virtual slaves) there, as yasureoktoo wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

 

Really

Dhimmis weren't second class. You have bad information. Zakat was in lieu of military service and only paid by abebodied young men who wanted to be exempt from fighting to protect the community. Ignorance just isn't helpful.

 

Islam is a anti-Christian religion from day 1.
Muhammad was the first Muslim to hunt Christians and other "infidels".

 

It does sound familiar. It also sounds like the Roman Empire, the Chinese Empire from Qing and before, the Persian Empire, the Hellenistic Empires, the Mughal Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and just about every successful empire in history.

It will be true, too, in our own. And not in the sanitized liberal sense of multicultural, which is basically people of color who act like your average white American but maybe dress more colorfully or do alien religious rituals, or the preponderance of cuisine of non-European origin, but in a decidedly illiberal manner, with various cultural groups that have fundamentally different worldviews, making compromises because they have to.

It's true that the Muslim Empires of yore wouldn't have lived up to modern liberal sensibilities of equality. I'm not claiming that they would have. I'm claiming that they were the most tolerant and diverse civilizational unit for most of their history.

 

Oh, the were. They couldn't vote, couldn't own and carry swards, had to dress in a uniform, so that one can tell they are dhimmi, had to owe allegiance to Muslims (for example, if hey met a Muslim, they had to take their hat off), couldn't own horses (only donkey and mules), should I continue?

 

Nope. Muhammad said be kind to the Christians...they are nearest to us in faith. Further, Muhammad protected the Christians of Nanjran after the Jewish king of Yemen burned 2000 of them. Is there some reason you persist with lies and falsehoods?