Supreme Court blocks Louisiana abortion law on 5-to-4 vote

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  1. Daniel Light

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    No - it only means that that black women use clinics that report to the government more often. It does not give the total number of abortions.
    And given that there is about a 3% rate of failure for birth control - and Americans have sex 40-50 million times a year, there are going to hundreds of thousands of failures even in the best case scenario.
     
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    Abortion rate for black women: 25.1, 390 abortions per 1000 live births
    Abortion rate for white women: 6.8, 111 abortions per 1000 live births
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/ss6713a1.htm#T12_down

    This is a black v white, not poor v wealthy stat.
     
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    No. That is REPORTED abortions. Wealthy women don't go to clinics that report to the government. Poor women do. Wealthy women take "vacations" to European clinics, or use private doctors.
     
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    They would likely at most let the States decide on the issue with some Federal limit due to treaties we ratified which would ban killing viable babies in the third trimester and well treaties have the same weight as the US Constitution itself so these must be considered. However they would most likely cut and chop off applications of abortion they find acceptable. An outright ban would be unlikely unless extreme cases like this one you mention.
     
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    I have no reason to believe they aren't all reported, convince me otherwise. Those were CDC statistics, unless you have something that directly refutes them all you have is you self-serving speculation and supposition which refutes nothing.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything, if you are poorer you act more like rabbits or something?

    BC is about as full-proof as you can get and even if you aren't properly using it there are morning after pills ALL of which cost less than an abortion. So you support abortion as a means of birth control?
     
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    Abortion is a perfectly acceptable and legal form of birth control. It is very effective
     
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    Actually, having men get vasectomies is much more reliable ... oh, but that would mean men have to take some responsibility and we can't have that.
     
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    It means nothing to right wing NRA gun nuts who don't want any form of gun control. While women and girls will going to have abortions no matter what. They will just do it illegally, by quacks, endangering their own lives if it needs to be like that.
     
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    An I'm sure you feel that way, personally I don't think that just killing babies is acceptable as effective as it might be. But had you watch Fox News this morning you would have heard from three people from a group that has formed. A group of young adults whose mothers tried to kill them but failed to do so and now they are all very bright and productive citizens. Amazing to hear them tell there stories about their mothers and doctors who tried to kill them but failed and they survived.

    Here are just some
    http://www.prolifeinfo.ie/abortion-facts/survivors/
     
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    Or tubes tied but all are highly effective. And I just read there is a new mens birth control coming out that is a creme of some kind. But back to the issue that doesn't explain the 3.7x higher rate of abortion for black women.
     
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    How very nice for them.

    Abortion is a perfectly acceptable, moral and legal form of birth control in every state in the union
     
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    No, that would be a fevered imagination at work.

    My post obviously meant that if one is poorer they are more likely to NOT want another mouth to feed.


    NO one is obligated to use birth control.


    ...and BC does fail at times.....but that doesn't matter , NO one is obligated to use drugs or put foreign objects in their bodies..
     
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    I explained it but you don't seem to want a NON-Racist reason.
     
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    Sorry I missed it, in what post did you explain it?

    "But back to the issue that doesn't explain the 3.7x higher rate of abortion for black women."
     
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    Not if it means more money.

    I'll agree to stipulate no one is OBLIGATE to use birth control............so what?


    First it's hard to get pregnant anyway and BC is EXTREMELY effective and yes people have a responsibility if they are going to engage in an activity that has the possibility of creating a new human life, a life they would rather kill that allow to live, to take proper and effective measures to prevent that life from being created. Why is an orgasam more important to you than a human life?
     
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    We do not deny medical procedures for any of the thousand other ways people are irresponsible
     
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    Acceptable to some people who have no problems killing babies, highly objectionable to those who do.
     
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    But perfectly legal under US law. But your opinion is noted
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, that would be a fevered imagination at work.

    My post obviously meant that if one is poorer they are more likely to NOT want another mouth to feed.


    Uh, what does that mean?

    If you're contending that black women have children to get money it sure blows you're contention that they have some devious reason for MORE ABORTIONS.
    Make up your mind, why do YOU think BLACK women have more abortions.



    So whether a woman uses BC or not is her business.


    NO, people do NOT have a responsibility because YOU say so :)



    Who said it was? NO one said it was so it looks like you're flailing wildly in your inability to defend your "argument" :)


    And what TF has orgasm (correct spelling) got to do with abortion? Nothing.
     
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    You're the one who brought up black women WANTING more babies, I gave you a reason why. But you are correct this is about black women killing their babies at 3.7% the rate of white women and why that is.

    If you say so but if you are going to engage in sex and refuse to use birth control then you are responsible for any human life created.

    It's not because I say so, people are responsible for their own actions don't you agree?


    You are. lets make sure we have abortion so women seeking orgasims and don't use birth control can kill any babies it produces.


    If someone is having sex but do not want to create a child then why are they having the sex especially intercourse?
     
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    No people are not held responsible for irresponsible behavior by denying them medical procedures.
     
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    wait a minute....what?!!!

    There are at least two (2) and maybe even 3 feminists on the SCOTUS ... unless they have all went, turncoat, then forget to inform their Liberal-Dem masters.

    Please, provide a link, which verifies that > 80% of the SCOTUS is in fact misogynistic.
     
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    This is not true. Women are never denied medical procedures;

    Prenatal care and OB-GYN visits are available and, encouraged, for the entire 9 months.
     
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    Show this to be true.
     

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