Trump to declare National emergency for Wall

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently the "experts" don't know what doesn't get found. The "experts" do know that millions of pounds get here! That is just plain common sense.....something that you and the elite are totally lacking. And to think, you and the Cortez's of this world want to overturn our system and tell us how to live. DISGUSTING!
     
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    I just want the truth and stop pretending otherwise. Why do you democrats want open borders? Is it the votes you would get no matter how many american citizens are killed? Is it because your donors hire them for cheap labor?
     
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    Indeed. Now we can deal with real national emergencies like the environment, healthcare and gun control without having to bother with Congress.
     
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    Wait what???
    You asked:
    Why do you think the President of the United States is granted the authority to declare a National Emergency?

    To which I responded:
    I can tell you that the power was not granted as a means to over rule the congress by executive fiat!

    And you came back with this??? Is a non-sequitur the best you can do?
     
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    I asked you what percentage of the people applying for asylum are granted it.

    You seem to have a problem with that question.

    Perhaps because you have a greater problem with the answer.

    Do you have any worthwhile information regarding what is currently in place at the border? Technologies in use? Facilities in place for processing? Etc., etc..?
     
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    Incredible, powerful, insightful & accurate post. One of the best I've seen on this forum. Thanks. :)
     
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    BO peep drew it in the Sand, on a real windy day. :razz:
     
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    Time to do this for UHC and climate change and education
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If American citizens murder and rape that is a problem we must deal with.....and we are. When illegal invaders murder and rape, that is a problem that shouldn't EVEN be a problem. Your solution?.....let them do it and give them more chances.
     
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    Again, think for yourself - do a modicum of research. You are wrong. I have no idea what the remainder of your rant is supposed to mean.
     
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    I do not think that President Trump's declaration of a national emergency is abusive or lawless, as some have claimed. In fact, other presidents--of both parties--have frequently declared national emergencies.

    Nonetheless, I do think that it is of questionable wisdom.

    After all--as I am certainly not the first to point out--a future Democratic president may declare a national emergency as regarding, say, climate change (and therefore prompt Congress to prohibit the internal-combustion engine); gun violence (and therefore seek to confiscate our guns); or healthcare insurance (and therefore ask Congress to enact UHC).

    I do think that President Trump is weary of Congress' refusal to act; so he has responding by taking action, himself.

    I just am not certain that, in the long run, it will prove to be a wise choice.
     
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    You claimed the President overruled the Congress.

    How so? You're the one making the claim. Did Congress pass legislation declaring there was no Emergency?
     
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    I'm not convinced by your links, but IF THEY ARE RIGHT, could that be a result of the increased hostility Trump has shown toward immigrants during his Presidency, which may be increasing the pressure on those immigrants to immigrate sooner, before Trump closes the border entirely? Actions we take don't always have the results we intended.
     
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    Noooo... of course it didn't....

    $1.375 billion for new border barriers.
    More technology, port infrastructure and Customs and Border Protection officers.

    Bummed out it didn't include that border x 100 miles zone of claymore mines on the Mexican side??
     
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    You are quite correct, it is not a wise choice - for exactly the reasons you point out.
    You are also correct that other presidents have declared national emergencies. Where you go wrong in that line of reasoning is that the emergencies were not invoked as a response to failing to get a bill passed. This is a clear abuse of power.
     
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    That's enough Republicans to pass action to stop Trump.

    Assuming that their integrity matches their rhetoric. Unfortunately, that has not been in much evidence lately.

    If McConnell blocks action in the Senate, there is the option of a discharge petition, as well as the ability of any Senator to add the measure as an amendment to any non appropriations bill.
     
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    Congress passed funding bills that allocated money in very specific manners.

    Trump overruled those directives.
     
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    When we found out that it was 22 million or more in the Country and not the 11-12 million that the Lame Stream media and Democrats cited for 12 years.

    Then when we discovered that we have no more detention centers to hold more illegals trying to get in.

    When we saw illegals rush ports of entry and areas with little border enforcement.

    When we observed Mexico enabling more and more illegals to get up to the border.
     
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    According to an Arizona Sherriff who worked for DEA and the FBI plus worked both sides of the Border. We have had a crisis for the last 31 years.
     
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    Why don't you just tell us one more time....Who will pay for the wall?
    Please don't do your stupid song and dance about the tariffs.
    Tells us.......who is paying for the wall?
    Looks like tRump took you as a complete idiot.


     
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    Read what I posted again. Or get a friend without a reading comprehension problem to read it to you.

    My claim was that the NEA was not meant to grant the POTUS the power to over rule the congress by executive fiat! Is the word overrule confusing you? Should I have said bypassed congress authority instead?
     
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    So true... For instance, I had to step away for an hour to work on my basement shelter due to the National Emergency, but while doing that, I found a DVD (Butch Cassidy/Sundance Kid) we had thought we had lost last year... Never would have found that without the National Emergency....

    Thanks Trump!!!
     
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    The more recent one was when the numbers started to double the amount.....that was taking place under BO the Peeps time in Office.
     
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    Cmon now.....its all formatted for them in a 30 second and up to a 2minute Soundbite.
     
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    No he didn't.

    Congress passes funding for very specific things all the time.

    For example, Congress provides funds for FEMA. The President can declare a National Emergency, which provides additional funds, among other things. Is the President overruling Congress when that happens?
     

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