Trump to declare National emergency for Wall

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    McConnell was against it before too.

    Then he saw how childish and ignorant Democrats got. Now he has changed his mind.
     
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    My friend, the current crop of Democrat Congresspeople led by Omar and Ocasio-Cortez is a freight train gaining speed by the day—and helping Republicans with every passing minute :applause:
     
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    McConnell did not change his mind because of how childish and ignorant Democrats have become. He changed his mind because of how childish and ignorant Trump is proving to be.

    The man had still not publicly signaled whether he would sign the funding bill and avoid another shutdown. So McConnell went to him and promised to back Trump's declaration in exchange for Trump signing the bill and avoiding another shutdown.
     
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    Oh man, that could make the California wildfires look like a campfire.... that **** could burn for months (or flame out in 15 seconds.... who really knows what it's made of?)
     
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    Trump is actually the adult in this scenario and always has been. he has the interests of the American people first and foremost. Democrats who oppose him, like Schumer, only care about their party.
     
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    Wait.....Democrats have senses? Cmon now let not make more out of whats actually there.
     
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    You're right, that wasn't cool. I apologize.

    Lets cut to the chase.

    I think everyone agrees that holding NE as a political card to play in the event your proposed legislation fails sets a dangerous precedent.
    So the obvious question is: is trump doing this?

    In my mind, the answer is YES for the following reasons:
    1. He failed to act for a full two years
    2. Only invoked NE after his bid to fund the wall failed
     
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    Except there is one as he declared it to be. So we officially have another National Emergency as declared by the President of the United States.
     
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    So when he signs the National Emergency Declaration. Will you still play like you are confused? How much pain will that cause you then?
     
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    You are supremely devoted to trump.
     
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    illegals raping women and killing American citizens is far worse. It's time we cleaned up the border and make America much safer now and in the future.
     
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    He declared that he did not need to sign that emergency declaration.

    If you are defending his declaration in a court of law, how do you take that statement - one made DURING THE ANNOUNCEMENT - and still make the case that the national emergency is necessary?
     
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    I agree, but this is not a good thing. If trump has taught us anything it's that americans can't be trusted to elect qualified (or even sane) presidents. If we don't get our act together and start putting decent people in office we will be ripe for an articulate popular socialist idiot to gain the WH and really destroy our country. Don't think it can't happen. Did you ever think we'd elect a reality tv show carnival barker?
     
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    Innocent men, women, and children being slaughtered while attending school or watching a concert is a travesty. It is time that we worked to reduce gun violence and make America much safer now and in the future.

    Innocent men, women, and children are being killed and their homes decimated by increasingly common extreme weather events. It is time that we worked to reduce climate change and make America much safer now and in the future.

    Innocent men, women, and children suffer and die because of a lack of access to affordable health care. It is time that we worked to reduce the cost of medical care and make America much safer now and in the future.
     
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    Not one iota because Trump's declaration will be overridden by Congress, the Supreme Court, and the American people.
     
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    Like shooting fish in a barrel. Is there a more short sighted individual than the trump apologist?
     
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    Donald trump himself
     
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    I'm supremely devoted to America. The partisan extremism is out of control. I'm tired of seeing liberal/progressive extremists who want to see Trump fail at all costs ---- even at the cost of our country.

    I'm undecided about the national emergency declaration. I can understand the reasoning, but I'm still a little bit on the fence about it.

    The one thing I'm not on the fence about is my recognition that Trump is all about protecting our country and our borders. Love him or hate him, nobody can question his patriotism, and part of that patriotism is protecting our borders and our laws. In that regard I have to agree with @BuckyBadger

    It is time for the extremists to put the country first and stop the polarizing divisive partisan crap.
     
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    Pills, solve all health woes. /end sarcasm.

    Pills only hide the issue of why one needs the pills.
     
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    Why would MO's alma mater not convince you? Why would DHS and their stats not convince you. Look up by State the Illegals locked up in Prisons. State Prisons.

    Its a Stat that the Lame Stream Media and the Leftness likes to avoid.

    Increased Hostility, huh. Seems the Angel Mothers and Fathers of Immigrants that waited in line wouldn't say hostility is coming from Trump.
     
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    tRUMP has to fail, for America to survive. Kidding, it's not that drastic. But it is better for America if he can't push his wishes on the country.
    He isn't doing the country of the vast majority of citizens any favors.
     
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    I absolutely disagree regarding Trump's intentions. The man cares about himself above all else. The wall and the national emergency declaration is not designed to protect America. It is about protecting himself from impeachment.
     
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    Regardless of my reservations over this I think you're right. From what I've read on this subject, including the text of the NEA, the President does have the authority move some money around and spend it on border barriers.

    It appears to me that the biggest obstacles in his path are political, not legal and constitutional:

    Obviously, there's a whole lot of sound and fury surrounding Trump's move, particularly from Democrats, but I'm not seeing how he would be setting some sort of precedent, overstepping the executive branch's power and destroying the checks and balances within our tricameral system. Instead of being something broad, he's actually operating within a limited space as far as legality and funding are concerned, but it's a space the administration can operate in.

    I'm not a big fan of what could be considered the exercise of arbitrary and unilateral executive power, but it appears that the president does have that power and most of the sound and fury is coming from the usual suspects who are throwing another temper tantrum and shaking their fists in impotent rage because they want to deprive him of something he wants and promised and they can't stop him from obtaining it. As long as he keeps it between the guard rails I think he's going to prevail in the courts (presumably the SCOTUS) - if he doesn't, he'll get shot down. The more I research this the more the uproar appears to be just another tempest in a teacup.
     
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