Global Warming A Back Door To Socialism - And Now Even The UN Admits It

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    It seems to me that the only thing Christiana Figueres was saying is the well known fact that autocratic governments are more efficient, more dependable in the long run, and faster to respond than democracies. That's because democracies have to find compromises before anything gets done & autocratic governments don't. This is just a fact often mentioned in college political science classes, but stating the fact doesn't imply support for authoritative governments. It's just a recognition of a truth that is uncomfortable for many of us.
     
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    More fearmongering nonsense for the flat earthers from yet another right wing trash blog.
     
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    You should pay more attention to your friends and to technology, because your notions are dated.

    Solar roofs aren't there yet. But solar panels are competitive in a lot of states, even now. I am paying 20% less for current from my solar panels than the local utility charges me.

    EV's are now no longer theoretical. It's not a matter of if, but when.

    Everybody and his dog is working on developing a cheap, safe, high capacity, fast recharge battery. Once that happens the rush away from internal combustion will make Exxon's head spin. And they know it's coming too. The leading technologies right now are graphene semiconductors and solid state batteries. One or the other will be commercially viable before too long.

    And graphene promises huge weight reductions as well.

    You can buy several perfectly serviceable electric vehicles now for about the average cost of a new car.

    This time next year, the number will double.

    EVERY major auto producer around the world has electrics under development. And the infrastructure for recharging is beginning to explode.

    And why not?

    Electrics solve two of the American auto industry's biggest challenges. Fuel economy standards and air pollution.

    Both go away with electric cars. And an electric car can be as big and powerful as you want it to be. Detroit could go back to building electric versions of Your Father's Oldsmobile, which is the sort of ride most Americans want. (and is the main reason they buy trucks now).

    And once customers realize that they will never again have to pay for an oil change, a tuneup, a flush and fill for cooling system that no longer is needed, they won't go back. And when they realize that their cars can go half a million miles with no service other than brakes, tires and windshield wipers, they'll forsake gasoline for good.
     
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  4. Etbauer

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    While you are thinking your way out of that hole, I most remind you that the free outlandish position is that agw is not real which means you have to provide the massive overwhelming evidence that it's not true. That being said, let's play your little game.

    https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ai05100g.html
     
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    I never said solar panels aren’t reasonable. They are.

    And there are cheaper EVs but don’t offer the space you can get for the cost of a reg car. No EV minivans or large SUVs. THe cheaper EVs are still small. It’s going to be a little while.

    No one is driving an EV millions of miles anyway:) But I await the day the prices equalize.
     
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    No, I didn't mean to say that you did.

    Actually, the Chevrolet Volt is not much smaller than an Equinox, and costs about the same as a mid range one. It will go 250 miles on a charge, and hit 60 in about 5 seconds. It is loaded with technology, and has a very handy five door layout.

    It is not a big seller. Partly because the idea of an electric car still puts people off. It's largely range anxiety, even though few people could even guess how far they go on a tank of gas now. As the infrastructure builds out and the fear of the new fades, they'll take hold.
     
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    Sweet. Ok, so we'll discuss a study of satellite data collection then. Where would I find the "cataclysmic environmental damage" estimates? Oh, wait, there aren't any. Ok, so you cited a study, it doesn't suggest or even mention what you're worried or concerned about. Next?
     
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    I think a lot of people knew that.
     
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    So, why then, bring it up? If the intent isn't to implement said authoritarian government why bring it up? Oh, right. Because it is the intent. Because what progressive folks cannot tolerate is having folks not listen to their super swell ideas and implement them even though they are entirely bat shytty.... But hey, at least you were paying attention in class when you failed to notice the indoctrination you were receiving....
     
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    Why are you comparing a car to an SUV? A hybrid car at that...

    So it’s smaller, more expensive, has less range,(max range is 420 miles thanks to the hybrid nature of the vehicle, with electric only range being 53 miles vs 592 miles) and takes about 4.5 hours to fill up? No thank you.

    I will always laugh at a hatchback being a “5th door”. I get that’s how they want to describe it, but that’s advertising, not reality.
     
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    Man Made Global warming is a lie !!! The Following videos prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt !











    https://youtu.be/yJmL9hRrpIQ
     
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    The IPCC issued a Special Report 15 through the auspices of Parties of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change to see how they were doing viz-a-viz the UN's 17 Sustainable Goals. It is insightful to see what the UN is really trying to achieve,
    The 17 Sustainable Development Goals for the period 2015-2030 are:

    1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere

    2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition, and promote sustainable agriculture

    3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages

    4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote life-long learning opportunities for all

    5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls

    6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all

    7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable, and modern energy for all

    8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all

    9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation

    10. Reduce inequality within and among countries

    11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable

    12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns

    13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts (in line with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change)

    14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development

    15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss

    16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels

    17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

    Interesting to see where the fight against g;obal warming fits.
     
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    So, you don't believe cigarettes cause cancer?
     
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    This is par for the course. People who deny the causative link between one agent and its harm typically deny the causative link between other agents are their harm as well. In fact, the players in the denial of smoking and cancer, CFCs and ozone depletion, sulfur dixoide and acid rain, etc. moved over to the denial of human behavior and global warming. The book Merchants of Doubt documents the history of this.
     
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    Yeah, although, my expectation is that most of these guys are fully going to believe in science and reality otherwise. They aren't going to let their children smoke cigarettes. It's only when they have an overwhelming emotional need to fit their tribe's narrative that suddenly the slightest typo in a paper becomes proof positive of a conspiracy, or no logical stretch is too far to grasp at one reason science could be wrong therefore absolutely everything about it is. But, when they go to florida, suddenly they magically don't think a covered wagon is the way to go lol. Amazingly, when they need a bypass, science isn't so bad anymore.
     
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    You minimize "privilege" but with the right help you would take it more seriously.

    New Toyota Prius Will Remind You To Check Your Privilege Every 3,000 Miles.
     
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    Oh it's real alright.

    Street gang MS-13, infamous for vicious machete killings, is first to be declared an international criminal group.”

    “The gratuitous acts of violence these now-convicted gang members committed were intended to spread fear.”
    U.S. Attorney John Horn about a 2015 murder conviction in Georgia.

    Video of the mutilated bodies was sent to a girlfriend of one of the victims.” “She was walking home one evening with Nisa, a basketball teammate one day shy of her 16th birthday, when MS-13 members spotted them and attacked with a machete and baseball bats.” “A large butcher knife, a bloodstained baseball hat and three 9mm handguns were also found in the car.”

    Those are all different incidents. All MS-13.

    In 2013, two gang members beat and hacked a 16-year-old Houston teen to deathusing bats and machetes. They also almost decapitated him, the Houston Chronicle reported. The gang suspected he had shared information with El Salvadoran police. Both killers were sentenced 35 years in prison. Both were from El Salvador, here illegally. One had been picked up previously on an immigration charge, a common thread for the gang. That’s why it comes up in the context of sanctuary city roundtables.

    In 2017, as many as 10 MS-13 members stabbed a man more than 100 times in Maryland. They decapitated him and cut out his heart. The first suspect charged, who allegedly stabbed first, was Miguel Angel Lopez-Abrego, of El Salvador, who was here illegally.

    Also last year, MS-13 members shot an unidentified girl who was thought to be 15 in the head and chest, leaving her body in the middle of a busy street in Houston’s Chinatown. The murderer said he killed her to appease Satan. “The beast did not want a material offering, but wanted a soul,” he said. He was from El Salvador originally, and here illegally.

    Way back in 2003, Brenda Paz was famously murdered by MS-13 after cooperating with police as an informant. CBS News’ Dan Rather reported on the slaying.

    Rather reported that MS-13 conducted "investigations” and held meetings where they went over things like recruitment, drug sales and murder. A “greenlight” was unanimously agreed upon to assassinate Paz at such a meeting. Paz was lured to a fishing trip with her boyfriend, who along with his fellow gang member stabbed her to death in front of a witness.

    In 2017, four gang members were arrested for a spree of 10 murders in Las Vegas.

    In 2014, MS-13 “enforcers” were deployed by a cartel to kidnap and torture teenagers in St. Paul.

    In 2012, Dennis Gil-Bernardez, a Honduran native and a leader in the gang, was sentenced to 80 years for, among many other crimes, stabbing a man to death on a street in Washington, D.C.

    Four men were hacked to death on Long Island, N.Y.

    A 15-year-old girl was tortured, had a tattoo cut off, and then was stabbed to death.

    The documentation of the gang’s brutality is long and horrifying. Murder, torture, rape, dismemberment, mutilation. These are heinous acts, and we’re meant to know it. They are committed for that reason, to shock and terrorize, silence and warn. MS-13 means for you to be repelled and horrified.

    The Left, of course, supports these animal terrorizing our civilian neighborhoods. They would rather shutdown the Federal Government than secure the border. The Democrats haven't been committed to anything this strongly since they worked to support and extend slavery in the US.
     
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    So, even if these were real, and even if it was spread over like a year instead of 15 years, we are talking about like 30 people. I mean dogs are way way more dangerous. The chances of you being victimized by them are like winning the lottery. So, tell me really, what's got you so scared in your boots? I mean what's the real reason?
     
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    Even ONE rape and murder by dismemberment is too many. Why are you so committed to these killers illegally entering our country and preventing ICE from finding and removing them?
     
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    Now, I should apologize if you really are someone so crippled by agoraphobia that you can't leave your house, and the sight of a mini poodle terrifies you. I played the odds, and the chances of you being one of those people is only about 100 times more than being victimized by ms13, so I was pretty sure you aren't one of them, but if you are, I shouldn't make fun of your condition.
     
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    You mean why don't I want to waste billions of dollars and millions of man hours to reduce the victim count from 30 to 29? I mean, just so a priest can rape that one person? I mean you are literally hundreds of tiems more likely to get raped by a priest. Isn't one child raped by a priest too many?
     
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    I mean, if you would like to focus on getting rid of the way way way way more dangerous catholic church, then maybe we could focus on the relatively minuscule threat of ms13.
     
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    Isn't that exactly what @Zorro asked you?
     
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    Enough, you conpsiracy loons. You want to deal with global warming in a small-government way, then quit denying facts and help push businesses to implement clean technologies without the need for government intervention, and support politicians who will properly incentivise businesses to do so. Denying reality is not an option, unless you're content with helping cause mass extinctions and making earth uninhabitable for future generations.
     

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