Do people on the Right want the "less fortunate" to suffer and/or die?

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  1. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You say, that FAMILY should be the one to take care of the chronically ill that cannot work. Then, when someone says, that wont do it, you call their REAL experiences, all a lie. THAT, is convenient, and WEAK.

    EVEN though I have been CERTIFIED disabled, most of you right wingers will STILL say I am NOT disabled, and should be FORCED to work, JUST like my wretched, NAZI sister.
     
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  2. Collateral Damage

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    His situation may be real, but he is using it to depict every person who doesn't see things just his way, as heartless, crass and unfeeling.

    People like that, are worse than average.
     
  3. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That UNCOMFORTABLE unusual feeling, is called a conscience. And it is what the world needs now.

    You are OWNING your choices. There is a cost to becoming enlightened.
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    I've had one since I was wee. The likes of you, provide nothing new in that realm.

    I do own my choices, I always have. The problem is, you believe people should fall to your 'righteous' anger, where all you've succeeded in doing, is making matters worse for those who may have been looking for solid ground. It's called self sabotage.
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's spin this around.

    Tell me why I should pay for you?
     
  6. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A leftie already did so, in another thread. Soon after you get your wishes, and folks are dropping like flies in the gutter, they will determine that their torture is YOUR FAULT. They will be hungry, and either eat you, or what is in your pantry. IT will be a warzone outside your window, and you will soon abandon that place, as uninhabitable. So you will find another place, that had folks pay for infrastructure, and ruin it too. Ad infinitum.
     
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  7. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My god man, you are so filled with victimization and entitlement, its startling.

    Tell me, what exactly is you sickness? I mean, if we are going to have a logical discussion about this, that is pretty important information.
     
  8. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lets turn this around. At what point, do you determine that folks are NOT disabled? No, not where you KNOW folks are fakers. But that dividing line, where you would allow chronically ill folks to die of neglect.
     
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  9. Collateral Damage

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    Pandora's Box. Bottom line, you are supposed to feel guilt for not giving over money to pay for other people's healthcare.
     
  10. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t want my taxes to go to some slob who doesn’t want to work and just eats chocolate on the couch while watching “The View”.

    And I don’t want to pay for someone else’s health care through some inefficient government bureaucracy.
     
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  11. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you feel you owe an education to some dumbass that will grow up to depict folks in such idiotic LYING terms?
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You wont answer the question?
     
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    Because you may be in the unfortunate situation too when someone else has to pay for you. You may not be able to ever picture yourself in that situation, but it has happened to many unsuspecting people.

    Or, it could be that a close relative or friend will be in the situation that others will have to pay for them through the welfare state. Wouldn't you then wish the help were there for them, for example if it was your kid? I know I would, rather than counting on voluntary donations.

    In any case, to the topic of the OP:

    I don't think that the right wants the less fortunate to suffer. Many of them are driven by two major issues: 1) They hate nothing more than paying taxes. 2) They don't believe that the less fortunate are actually less fortunate, but that they deserve the life situation they are in because of bad decisions. Thus, helping them would reward bad decisions and, thus, would be a moral hazard.
     
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    I don't know where you live, but my friend has a placard and there's nothing visibly wrong with her (head injury years ago), and no one has ever said **** to her, even though she's been driving and using the placard for years.

    Stop blaming right-wingers for what your family says. Your family is not representative of the right-wing.
     
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    1 I hate paying other people's taxes. I don't mind paying my share, but half the country pays nothing.

    2 There are plenty of people who are less fortunate and I'll gladly give to help them out. There are plenty who are gaming the system as well and they can starve for all I care.
     
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    It’s basic economics.. welfare increases inflation
     
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    Does increase in money supply cause inflation?

    Increasing the money supply faster than the growth in real output will cause inflation. The reason is that there is more money chasing the same number of goods. Therefore, the increase in monetary demand causesfirms to put up prices.Mar 13, 2015
    The link between Money Supply and Inflation | Economics Help
     
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    Able-bodied adults on welfare should be working to produce the food they eat
     
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    Absolutely, yes. Everybody should plan properly to ensure they're financially healthy during their golden years.
     
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    Increase of money causes increase of prices. Government gives people money for food all food raises its basic economics. So like I said that just shifts the pain from one group to another.
     
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    Not following you. I'm talking about why I work (beyond 'self sufficiency'), not discussing failed states. If I expect to continue to benefit from our free healthcare and education etc, and would like my descendants to have the same opportunities, then I must contribute to the collective which makes those things possible.

    As for 'socialism' failing, you could not be more wrong. The failures you refer to are state/political, and have nothing to do with collectivism. If you exist within a family with a common purse, then you're in a collective.
     
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    But far worse than that, is the ongoing wasting of resources on those simply too lazy to contribute, at the expense of those who genuinely need those resources and will make good use of them.
     
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    Do you think that financial security is an accident of birth?

    On the contrary, for the vast majority of us it's the result of a lifetime of sacrifice and work.
     
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    When their body is impacted to the point that they cannot function in the normal fashion, and it's not self-inflicted.
     

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