11 year old rape victim given to c section instead of abortion

Why do I get the feeling those on the Pro-Choice side are more mad about her not getting an abortion than about the fact that she was raped?

 

who cares, she was 11, so she did not know she was pregnancy, if she did not want to have a baby, then abort, she was raped twice, once by the state

now the right will probably whine cause they have to support this child and her new baby

 

There you go again. "She did not know, but she knows enough to make a choice"
Seems like you're trying to have it both ways.

Certainly her legal guardian who was with her should have known.

 

Because you're broken.

 

Why do I get the feeling that those on the Anti-Choice side don't care that an 11 year old was raped ?.....because they don't.....they keep blaming her for the situation.

 

there ya go again, saying she is not old enough to decide not to be a parent, yet she is old enough to be forced to be a parent
Seems like you're trying to have it both ways.

 

if one could go back in time would a pro-lifer stop her from being raped knowing it would mean the child would never be born?

 

Yes, of course. As long as it wouldn't involve killing an innocent life.

(And in case you were going to ask, not giving life in the first place is not the same thing as taking that life away, after it's already come into existence)

(I am assuming you're talking about what if we were there in that moment and knew what was going to happen, because actually messing with time could have different ethical implications)

 

Sorry but the pro choicers still think it up to the women involved not the rapists, the government, families members or whatever.

Love that the anti choice people when it come to rape are on the side of the rapists not the woman right to decide to carry or not to carry a rapist fetus to full term.

Taking the right to decide away is bad enough when it come to an adult and far worst when it come to an 11 years old.

 

You do realize that many "Pro-Choicers" here would take that right to choose away from an 11 year old girl and give it to the girl's legal guardian?

 

No one that I know of.......................

It a pro choice movement of the one person in the world who is carrying that fetus.

Once more it is not the parents, the grandmother, the grandmother rapist boyfriend or the officers of the state,

Nice to know however that you are supporting the rapist right to have this 11 years old carry the fetus to full term against her wishes.

 

Do you just think a fetus which was conceived in rape—a 19 week fetus — has no right to live?

Did you see that picture in post #4 ? Are you going to insist it's not a baby?

Will we pretend no one is dying here to make ourselves feel more comfortable about the situation?

 

NONE whatsoever.

NOTHING is a baby until it's born.

NO "one" is dying.

A fetus is dying.



Why do you need to make yourself feel more comfortable about the situation...?

You tried to do that by blaming an 11 year old for her rape, pregnancy and abortion...did it make you feel more comfortable?

 

"Yes, of course. As long as it wouldn't involve killing an innocent life."

that was the point, if you went back in time and prevented the rape it would involve preventing that child from ever being born.... so woudl you prevent that rape if you could?

 

I think only the women or in this case, a 11 year old child can decide if she is gonna birth a child into this world

had she aborted, no one would of died, as no one ever would of been born

your logic is like saying, should we let rapists rape, don't rape babies have a right to be born?

 

Due to the butterfly effect (a tiny change in the past can lead to big changes in the future), going back and changing one thing would no doubt end up leading to countless women getting raped who wouldn't have been, and countless women not being raped who would have been.

Sort like that Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever", where a woman has to die from a car accident to prevent the Nazis from winning the war and millions of civilians dying.

I suppose the real question would be how far I'd be willing to go back in time.

 

You didn't address posts 221 or 222..are you speechless ?

 

There ya go again... it's all just an episode of a fantasy TV show....NO basis in reality....

 

FreshAir was the one who insisted I answer a time travel hypothetical.

 

There's no need to conflate the idea of forcing women to get pregnant with forcing women not to abort.

 

They're the same thing...a woman FORCED to do something she doesn't choose to do....both are crimes...by misogynists with control issues....

 

What does that even mean? You mean whether the child was going to be killed in the womb and pulled out through the vagina, or whether it would be removed in one piece, still alive, from the abdomen 4 weeks later?

It sounds to me either way the fetus was "coming out into the world".
The difference is whether it would be alive.

 

I would say the fetus is as much a victim of rape as the woman is.

 

ONCE AGAIN, an Anti -Choicer minimizes rape, pregnancy, childbirth....

NO, abortion may be seen as a result of FORCE USED ON A WOMAN but the WOMAN is the one most affected...

 

your talking about a 11 year old girl here, no one should be forcing a 11 year old girl to give birth to a baby