AOC is socialist. Is that bad?

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    capitalism does that. Any category will usually have several competitors. And?????
     
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    Wow. Believe "you" have proven conclusively that you don't have enough knowledge to discuss genetics or evolution. Hopefully you haven't bred and contributed to decline in the intelligence of the gene pool.

    ( this is a liberals idea of debating)
     
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    ??? 96% get jobs in America and that is after massive liberal interference, like 30 million illegals driving down our wages. Do you understand now??
     
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    so what we should do is realize the wall in an immorality, tear it down, and let another 30 million illegals come in to drive down our wages still further.
     
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    you only care for liberal govt violence which is how Hilter Stalin and Mao killed 200 million. Freedom from liberal govt works best.
     
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    Wow who knew Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were liberals. Thanks for making us all so much smarter!
     
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    why do you think our liberals spied for HItler and Stalin, gave Stalin the bomb, and why do you think Bernie honeymooned in USSR and spoke so highly of it??
     
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    Sorry but does that somehow negate your claim that Hitler, Stalin And Mao were liberals? Kerp changing from stupidity to stupidity and hope someone will take you seriously. Probably not!
     
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    I regard socialism as a comfortable middle ground between capitalism & communism. Pure capitalism is too selfish & serves only the wealthy classes. Our current extreme disparity between our wealthy & lower classes is standing evidence of this truth. Communism ends up serving only those in the highest political leadership positions in government, at everyone else's expense, and is equally unfair & extreme as capitalism. Socialism concentrates on advancing & supporting capitalism and private business to create wealth, but uses government regulations to make sure some of the excess wealth created finds its way down to benefit the middle & lower classes. Socialism is the most fair & caring economic system overall, and Democratic Socialism is the best socialist system around, because it takes special interest in preserving and protecting individual human rights as part of its core mission.
     
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    No, but those were communist states, NOT socialist ones. Huge difference.
     
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    So why did our libsocialists spy for these people if they were not libsocialists??? How will you learn if you're afraid to try?
     
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    We need a system that makes "charity" unnecessary--one that takes care of every citizen's basic needs, while continuing to offer individual opportunities for self advancement. Democratic Socialism (capitalism & socialism combined) would do that. :)
     
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    why huge difference. Marx said socialism was stepping stone to communism with no well defined difference as to when transition occurred.

    Lenin: The goal of socialism is communism.

    Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
     
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    China just switched to capitalism and saved another 60 million from starvation under socialism and eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty. Capitalism is obviously the system. Do you understand?
     
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    I DO care. That's why I support combining American capitalism with Democratic socialism, to take better care of Americans in general, while continuing to keep opportunities open for individual self-advancement. I can't think of anything better than that. American capitalism to date, has failed to accomplish these things, and I don't see it as capable anymore. It's good at producing wealth, but fails in the area of spreading the benefits of that wealth across American society generally. We need a better system.
     
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    The 'system' will take care of every citizen's needs when every citizen works for that care. Unless you want a perpetual aristocrat/serf arrangement?
     
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    that simply shows an inability to think. Europe is in middle and they live at 50% of our GDP and are rioting in streets every weekend. 1+1=2
     
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    There is no real difference.
     
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    Those "losers" are Americans too, and all Americans can't be focused, as you are, on simply accumulating wealth. There are other things in life worthy of attention, and other things worthy of respect and accolades of success, even if they don't result in financial wealth. Americans who spend their lives focused in these other, valuable areas, deserve our respect & gratitude too. They are NOT losers just because they have little money.
     
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    Do you not understand that unless everyone is on the same page (about 'wealth sharing'), it will NEVER happen? It can only happen when everyone agrees to it. Even your self-described Socialists don't want it. The best you're ever going to get is the current master/slave set up - where the slaves do all the work and the masters sleep til noon.
     
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    China never switched from socialism to capitalism. China switched from COMMUNISM to capitalism, so your statement is NOT accurate.
     
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    France does that. Even Krugman say their economies have "Eurosclerosis". Chronic 10% unemployment and youth unemployment double ours. And violent rioting in the streets every weekend despite confiscatory taxation becuase the poor cant make ends meet. Do you understand?
     
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    It's not 'middle ground'. There is Capitalism (every man for himself, no free lunch), or Socialism/Communism (every many works for the common good, no free lunch). Anything else is master/slave. Pretty sure that's not what you're looking for, is it?
     
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    you keep pretending socialism and communism are different!!
    Lenin: "The goal of socialism is communism"

    when socialism does not work due to moral hazard they double down toward communism. 1+1=2
     
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    you you want Europe and USA India to switch to capitalism too to eliminate remaining poverty???
     

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