A False Dilemma, in Atheism

Many who have CLAIMED to experience this god, for personal gain or explaining away their behavior, it is a ridiculous falsehood. You just have to honest enough with yourself to admit it. Many are not.

 

But it is a predominate core belief held by this group for who knows what reason. Daddy complex perhaps.

 

1. Freedom of speech has downsides. Sometimes you have to hear things you don't like. Solution? Mandate conformity of belief.
2. This rarely happens to me. Is it an urban myth? Once a year, a mormon, or jehovah's witness knocks, but i politely decline. No offense taken.
3. Should laws be passed banning proselytizing?

in myriads of ways, over thousands of years. The human experience is full of such accounts.

Phony narrative. Nobody is 'legislating beliefs!' And any Law is a 'legislated' opinion from someone.

Perhaps. But the same can be said for hysterical Atheists, frothing at any mention of 'God!'

'Daddy issues' seems very relevant, there.

 

Them my own reasoning is not flawed, by your reasoning since I have directly experienced the personal "evidence" referenced, cited, reported, and described by others yet I eventually saw through it. So I do not speak out of ignorance, but out of direct personal experience and understanding.

 

You have direct, personal experience with a 'no God' belief? How does inexperience or ignorance of something count as 'evidence!' for its antithesis?

 

"In myriad ways" is a cop out. I asked HOW people "experienced god"....."in myriad ways" is NOT an answer.

What "ways" ? HOW? What happened?

Not based on RELIGIOUS beliefs. This is not a theocracy.

Yes, there are those who want laws passed based on their religious beliefs and religious beliefs only.

 

The existence of god can neither be proven, not disproven. Atheists claim that lack of evidence of God's existance proves he isn't real. They claim to believe in science, but ignore a universal fact, that science allows for evidence that has not yet been discovered.

Meanwhile, theists claim the opposite, that lack of evidence that he doesn't exist proves he is, They base them on things which exist. Making claims like there has to be a god in order for there to be order in the universe. They claim that only an intelligent design can account for things like beauty.

 

1. Myriads of people (or millions, if you prefer), have claimed a personal interaction with 'something' they conclude to be God, the supernatural, or whatever.
I don't have them listed for you, but that is an easy search, if you're interested.
2. Like laws mandating atheistic naturalism ONLY be taught in school? Or court decisions?

I've never heard that argument.. I've heard other arguments FOR the existence of God, but not that one. That is usually the atheist argument..

Atheists claim that lack of evidence of God's existance proves he isn't real..

 

A personally have an experience that they believe to be supernatural doesn't prove that it was supernatural. The mind can cause these types of experiences. In the case of NDE, for example, non-Christian NDE often involved non-Christian religious dogma. Many believe that the mind bases them off the person's religious beliefs. If the CHRISTIAN god was real, than ALL NDE would be based on Christianity. They are not.

 

That's not what I said. I said "I have directly experienced the personal 'evidence' referenced, cited, reported, and described by others yet I eventually saw through it."

Sorry if you didn't understand what I was saying. I was saying that I've experienced inexplicable "divine insight" into the meaning of scripture, I've experienced the "annointing" by the Holy Spirit, I've experienced God "face-to-face" with power, and I repeatedly experienced being "not of this world" and shown was unconditional love of the Spirit is. And BTW, I have found it impossible to make others understand what unconditional love is though I patiently explain it with descriptions as well as with logic. Carnal mind rejects these things and always goes back to human love to "prove" unconditional love is the same, -which it isn't.

So now if you reread what I said which I just quoted again, you might understand what I was saying better.

 

I don't think the JWs or Mormons would appreciate me knocking on their door to hand out flyers on why the existence of god is unknowable. That's the thing the religious don't understand. They feel it's their god-given duty to convert others. Agnostics feel no such pressure, but if we bring up our views, they get offended.

We should not ban proselytizing, but I've been approached in parking lots numerous times, especially when I lived in North Florida. One of them grabbed my arm when I told him I don't do church and told me he fears for my eternal life. Oy...

Anyway, exercise your freedom of speech all you like, just don't cut in front of me and force me to listen. Feel free to shout at me about my going to hell, but kindly do it from 10 feet away or more.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
"In myriad ways" is a cop out. I asked HOW people "experienced god"....."in myriad ways" is NOT an answer.
What "ways" ? HOW? What happened?
Not based on RELIGIOUS beliefs. This is not a theocracy.
Yes, there are those who want laws passed based on their religious beliefs and religious beliefs only.

AGAIN: that is NOT proof that they "experienced god". YOU even referred to it as "whatever".

Maybe it IS "whatever" and not your god.

What RELIGION is "atheistic naturalism" ? HINT: It isn't.

Creationism shouldn't be taught in schools since it is a religious concept.

Maybe by "atheistic naturalism" you mean FACTS and SCIENCE ????

What about court decisions??

 

That doesn't mean there's a god.

 

LOL you can never proved a negative but that does not mean that you must give credit to complete nonsense such as either the tooth fairy or the Christian god or gods as in the three in one nonsense or any of the thousands of other stories of gods dream up by mankind over time.

 

Nobody is making that argument, here. The argument against the,
No evidence = no God
..argument is that it could be based on ignorance or incomplete information, as 'myriads' of have people have observed.

1. I am not proselytizing. I am philosophizing.
2. And, there is likely more than 10' between us.
3. Lots of people get offended, by many 'trigger!' concepts. It is either their problem, or you censor yourself.

So your conclusion of 'no God' is based on incredulity? No evidence? Ridicule of other's beliefs?

 

Just because someone makes up something doesn't mean others have to prove it doesn't exist.

 

I wasn't referring TO you, I was answering your question. Proselytizers is who I was referring to, when I say, "you." I meant no offense.

I'm also not offended. It's annoying and painful to see people who are so afraid of god that they spend their free time trying to convince others. Do that in church, take out billboard ads, send me a flyer in the mail, but stop approaching me to spew your silliness. If there is a god, after all, than that god understands why I believe what I believe and won't send me to hell, simply because I don't go to church and preach someone else's version of the truth at people who haven't asked. If such a deity exists, he/she/it is having a good laugh at all the wars we've fought through the centuries due to the millions of various versions of who god is and what god wants..

I actually had someone preach at me that all the people who lived before Christianity are in hell, because they didn't praise Jesus. I had another tell me that he literally doesn't cheat on his wife or steal from his neighbor because god said, "nah, don't do that." In that person's case, I'm extremely grateful he found god.

My own father raised me that the Catholics get the front of heaven, the other Christians can be in heaven, but behind the people who are Catholic, and the Jews get a spot, too, but for them, it's standing room only. Nobody else gets into heaven, said my dad. I brought that up at CCD (training for Catholic kids,) and the nun told me my dad was wrong. That may have been the point in my life that I started to question everything I was being taught.

The extreme religious are just plain 'ole silly.

I am friends with religious people, but they aren't the nanny-you're-going-to-hell types. Religious people who aren't insane proselytizers are great to be around. They are just normal people who believe something differently than I do. It's no different than being friends with people with differing political POVs. I can hang, until they tell me that their party is always right and the other party is always wrong. Same/same.

 

Just because someone doesn't believe something does not make it false.

Everybody gotta believe something..

 

Yes, that's the beer-buying on Sunday part of the equation. Can't have you drinking beer when you should be in church.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Just because someone makes up something doesn't mean others have to prove it doesn't exist.

No, but the onus is on those claiming it's true to prove it's true....NOT on those who have seen no proof to prove it isn't true..

Everyone does not gotta believe anything

 

How do you feel about the tooth fairy?

 

Funny you should ask.. i was going to ask you about the Easter Bunny...

Of course, from a purely logical position, proof of a negative is still a difficult task.

 

..but everybody does.. whether they 'gotta' or not.

Everyone has to do their own believing and dying..

 

For the same reasons children that are told the Santa Claus myth as they reach the age of reason reject that fable.

There being not one bit or evidence or logic or reason to grant any real existence of any one of the thousands of gods that mankind had come up with over the ages.

Hell for myself I am of the opinion that the real god of the universe is the cat god Bastet who created the human race to help her take care of her subjects.

 

Human Law is very whimsical, at times, and deadly, at other times, if you're not on the approved list.

The reformed Christian view is that of a separation of church and state.. that has provided the most freedom and protection, for the consciences of people.

Of course, now Progressivism is returning us to the dark ages, with mandated beliefs in the Official State Religion.. but it was nice to have freedom, for a while.