Congress will see Barr's redacted version of the Mueller Report

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  1. Hoosier8

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    Well if Trump understands the law and you don't, I won't be listening to you. Congress passed laws protecting sources and methods. Congress passed laws protecting grand jury witnesses not indicted of any crimes. Nadler is encouraging Barr to break the laws they passed.
     
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  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most of the report will be supporting evidence for the indictments. Grand Jury testimony that would be negative for anyone not indicted will be redacted. Sources and methods will be redacted. Those are the laws Congress passed.
     
  3. Thought Criminal

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    Then let's see the report."


    You're going to see the report.

    "At least one former federal prosecutor has stated that you don't issue a 400 page report and "find nothing""

    At least one former federal prosecutor is a political hack, helping to push a fake narrative.

    Mueller didn't "find nothing ".
     
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    Today's reality is that a 2 year $40 million witch-hunt found no evidence of Russia collusion by the Trump campaign. In addition, the AG and deputy AG both concluded that the evidence developed during the special counsel’s investigation was not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.

    You should learn to deal with that reality.
     
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  5. struth

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    It’s great to have a president and DOJ that actually works with Congess instead of stonewalls them. Who can forget obama and Eric holder’s contempt...literally first AG ever, held in contempt
     
  6. RodB

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    I don't know about "hiding", but Congress cannot prosecute crimes and therefore cannot investigate crimes and therefore has no inherent right to criminal evidence and especially no right to stuff they just want to rummage through. Hell's bells, law enforcement cannot even do that. I don't know if it would be politic but Trump, Barr, and associates should take Nadler's "subpoena" for the Mueller report and Cummings subpoenas for everything Trump ever and shove them right back up their backside. Call that hiding if you want; call it green cheese if you want. Nobody cares.
     
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    Unless the whole thing was based on a fake dossier. Besides this isn't criminal, it's political.
     
  8. Nemesis

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    I agree that Mueller didn't "find nothing".

    But I've got to wonder why everybody with a different take--especially someone with some expertise offering a professional opinion---is a "hack".

    Why do you think that?
     
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    They're not reviewing it for the purpose of "prosecuting crimes". Congress has the duty of oversight, and the House has the right to commence impeachment proceedings if it sees fit.

    The intelligence and judiciary committees have the right to unredacted reports.
     
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    It's done. Any further harping on this investigation by the Dem's only serves to piss off the moderate middle even more. Time for the witch hunt to end. And no .. I do not need to hear what Mueller - aka - Grand Inquisitor of Kangarooland - has to say.
     
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    He is helping to push a fake narrative.
     
  12. Sandy Shanks

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    Mueller could not indict Trump, neither can Barr. DOJ rules forbid the indictment of a sitting President. That is the reason why the un-redacted version of the Mueller Report should go to Congress. Congress has the responsibility of oversight, not Barr.

    Yes, Trump lied to Americans again. I knew it when he said it. It was just a matter of time before he backtracked.

    “Let people see it. That’s up to the attorney general,” Trump told reporters on March 20. Yes, he just contradicted himself. Trump has a problem with the English language. “There was no collusion. There was no obstruction. There was no nothing,” he added. The point is, he wanted to "let people see it," or so he said.

    Now his tune has changed. Like I said, it was just a matter of time. Trump is transparent and highly predictable.

    Today Trump dismissed Democrats’ efforts to compel the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's full report as a "somewhat of a waste of time" on the eve of a House panel vote to authorize a subpoena for the entire document and its underlying evidence.

    "So there’s no collusion. The attorney general now and the deputy attorney general ruled no obstruction. They said no obstruction," Trump said during an Oval Office meeting with the head of NATO. Writer's note: Trump is lying again. He has not seen the Mueller Report. He knows as much as we do about what is in the report, which is absolutely nothing.

    "So there’s no collusion, there’s no obstruction, and now we’re going to start this process all over again?" he continued. "I think it’s a disgrace. These are just Democrats that want to try and demean this country, and it shouldn’t be allowed."

    “There is no amount of testimony or document production that can satisfy Jerry Nadler or Shifty Adam Schiff,” Trump tweeted earlier, naming two top House Democrats seeking the report. “It is now time to focus exclusively on properly running our great Country!”

    Again, Trump is lying to Americans. On the issue of the Mueller Report and White Houses staffers appearing before Democratic House committees, Trump has refused every time. He has given the House nothing.
     
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    You can only wish. It is far from over. Piss off moderates? You are joking. Moderates want to know if their President collaborated with the Russian government, and there is plenty of evidence that he did.

    Why else is he fighting to make the report public? Why is it he wants Congress to see the version created by his agent, Barr?

    The answer to those two questions is obvious. Trump is hiding something. An innocent person would not fight the release of the report.
     
  14. Thought Criminal

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    Trump is on record saying he wants the entire report released.

    Trump has waived any Executive Privilege rights.

    What do you need to know, about some nobody, who might have been caught up in this hoax?

    Why do you persist with this fake narrative?
     
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    Both federal law and special prosecutor protocol, passed in the 1970's by Congress prohibit publicly releasing information that is classified. The democrats know this and yes, the law does say that the AG will determine how much information will be released. Democrats only care about laws and protocol when it benefits their agenda!
     
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    Both chambers of congess have had their own investigations and came to the same results as mueller. No collusion. This is just cheap political stunts by the left
     
  17. RodB

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    No, they do not. It is illegal for them to have grand jury transcripts and such and illegal for them to have classified documents without a bona fide need to do, which does not include going fishing. The funny thing is those committees no damn well they cannot get unredacted reports. They are simply showing off and grandstanding for the uninformed.
     
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    You are no moderate - and thus have no right to speak for moderates - by this I mean those in the middle.

    Those in the middle have a higher tendency not to be infected with partisan blindness - a disease that has taken over your brain - hence why you have no business speaking for them.

    After nearly 2 years of investigation - spending massive amounts of money - by a team with massive power - including the power to violate civil liberties, privacy and so on - there is not enough evidence to charge the President with criminal collaboration.

    Collaboration/ Collusion - in of itself is not a crime. Beating this dead horse is exactly that ..and going after unrelated things - that came about through this investigation - is a violation of the principles of justice - "fruit of the poisoned tree" and by definition a "witch hunt"

    Those in the middle - such as myself - are sick and tired of watching this corrupt proceeding - run by a corrupt scum bucket like Mueller - continue.

    At some point you start feeling sorry for Trump - regardless of his flaws and I can think of few people more worthy of injustice- as being the victim of injustice.

    You are in such a blind partisan rage that you want to throw away the rules. This I do not condone.
     
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    You'd think if Barr's summary was substantially incorrect that Mueller might say something...

    At this point I support releasing the completely unredacted report to the public. Screw classified info, open investigations, private info, etc. We are dealing with conspiracy theorists and it has become necessary.
     
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    Wouldn't matter.

    They would just claim that Barr is just saying it's complete and unredacted.

    If Mueller testified that it was complete and unredacted, they would say that proves he's in on it.

    Maddow has spoken!
     
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    Every little victory like this alienates Maddow and her ilk from the average independent, and thats a goos thing.
     
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    Her ratings fell by 9.4%, for the week after Barr's summary, compared to the previous week.

    If we assume that is the result of loss of credibility, it is indeed a small victory.
     
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    I let a great legal mind Dershowitz answer on my behalf.

    Dershowitz: "No Legal Basis" For Democrats To Demand Public Release Of Full Mueller Report
     
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    Maybe someone can set me right. I thought I heard that Starrs report on the Clintons was released unredacted because that's what the law dictated at the time. Democrats lobbied against it because of the sensitive nature of parts of the findings, and said it should be redacted. It was released in its entirety by law. Afterwards the rules were rewritten so as to redact sensitive information in such investigations. And it is those new bi-partisan restraints to which Barr is beholden to redact and preserve from public scrutiny, any information not germane to the matter.
     
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    'There is no need to supply the tapes. I've given you the transcripts.' Richard Nixon on the Watergate coverup.

    The coverup is always worse than the crime and the Barr "transcripts" scream coverup. This will get worse, much worse, as Trump, Barr, and and the Trump gang hedge and dodge to avoid giving the full, un-redacted report to Congress. The security scandal is just getting going and the poop is already hitting the paddles on that one. It shows this White House doesn't give a damn about security. It's a replay of Watergate but this makes Watergate look like a Halloween prank.

    The public, the one that counts, not Trump's base of blind worshipers, have had it with this whole affair and want answers. Now. Trump knows there was no "bounce" from the Barr memo and he knows there is trouble in the full report. Trump is beginning to cave. He has trouble maintaining his public persona. There is a black cloud over the White House and it's charged with electricity.
     

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