From Mueller Time to Barr Time

Democrats are demanding answers. They want to question AG Barr before Congress. They want to subpoena Mueller. They should be careful what they wish for. This is a two edge sword and they don't see what's coming.

Sure they will huff and puff and make a stink in self aggrandizement looking to make headlines or get a few seconds on CNN. But the other side of the coin is the republicans. They'll also get to ask some questions and democrats won't like the answers. They'll ask about the Russian dossier and it's origins, about FISA abuse, and about spying on the Trump campaign. They'll ask about the counterintelligence operation, who knew, and who was in on this treasonous plot to interfere in the election by the DOJ, FBI, DNI and the State Dept.

Sen Lindsey Graham said that AG barr has seen the Mueller report and is very upset about the origins of the investigation. And Devin Nunes has sent 9 criminal referrals over to the DOJ.

 

I think congress should have access to the full Mueller Report. I don't consider Graham and Nunes to be unbiased sources, and if they have evidence that the law was broken, then they will have to prove it in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

That's just a Democrat talking point/canard. What do you hope to see in the grang jury testimony? What do you hope to find in the classified portions? What good will it do to see information related to ongoing investigations? Why would you want to expose possibly defamatory information on people who are not facing indictments?

The point of this thread has gone right over your head. I'm trying to get you to understand that this may be the turning point, where democrats, particularly the appointees in the Obama Administration and possibly Obama himself, may be exposed in the biggest scandal in American history, #SPYGATE. These hearings will backfire on the democrats. They will soon regret stirring the pot.

 

None of the grand jury proceedings can be published by the AG.

Information about peripheral people within the investigation, who were not charged with a crime, cannot be published by the AG.

That's the law.

imo information on FISA court warrants, McCabe, Comey, FISA court judges, etc., will have to come from other sources and not the Mueller report.

 

I highly doubt the origins of the investigation will be grand jury material

 

Yeah, but by law that cannot be known by congress or by the public.

 

I think members of Congress are qualified to see classified information. The general public should see a version with classified information removed. I believe in the people's right to know what is generally going on in the government, since the government's purpose is to serve us. If there is a major scandal, then I'd be fine with the Trump administration calling a special council to investigate that, and provide solid evidence of wrongdoing.

 

Way I see it is even simpler: We entertained the theory that Trump was a foreign agent of the Kremlin(ROFL.). Given that, I think we can afford to entertain the theory that there was an attempt against the President.

 

It's a matter of the law written by the congress, not a matter of qualification. Barr has to go by that law written by the congress, which imposes limits: Grand jury proceedings cannot be revealed. Uncharged peripheral people cannot be revealed. The special counsel completed his investigation and had no additional indictments beyond the process crimes and tax evasion crimes which he prosecuted. End of story.

Barr is only legally obligated to send a summary report to the Republican and Democratic leaders of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees explaining Mueller's findings and why the investigation ended. Barr has already met that legal obligation of his office completely. But out of the goodness of his heart Barr is going to reveal some additional information in a second report beyond his summary report.

Anything further which Barr submits is, by law, at his own discretion, so long as he upholds the limits proscribed by law, as written by the congress, in his report.

Some in congress now want Barr to break the law they wrote. It is very, very unlikely he will, especially without a granting of immunity from prosecution first.

 

Trump if he has nothing to hide should send the Report to the House Committee.

 

I say he should just release it after democrats make fools out of themselves foaming at the mouth for this report. Take their talking point away. At this point I’d bet that the damaging material related to Trump is a. What’s already been in the news and b. Just innuendo and speculation just like everything else Trump related. I believe that because there were no indictments.

 

That's something the left doesn't like to acknowledge.

While Barr could turn over anything he is bound by law to keep some things confidential.

If he doesn't redact the findings he could be charged and sent to prison.

The left doesn't care however but if Barr does that the lawsuits will start immediately and then the left will blame him for breaking the law.

They are truly pathetic.

 

Yes, Spooky, everything you said is wrong.

 

I'm watching the BARR hearing in the APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. Democrats opening attack on him about the Mueller report on a hearing about DOJ finance.

 

Except it isn't. All the corrupt DOJ / FBI officials that turned a blind eye to "gross negligence" in re classified material are gone. Barr is subject to OIG oversight. Nadler openly trying to recruit Barr as co-conspirator? IG Horowitz was even more critical of McCabe & Comey's illegal disclosures than either Sessions or Rosenstein were in their recommendations to fire both McCabe & Comey. The disclosure laws won't be suspended at Nadler's convenience.

 

I have mixed feelings about the report. I'm not sure the House has the right to see the unredacted version. In the event they do, then they should be published under the FOIA to let a little sunshine on that dog's ass. Otherwise, the committee can (and will) leak biased factually incorrect content solely based on their own cloven hooved agenda. If they get to see it, we get to see it. I think that's what Trump wants too.

 

I would say it's a bad idea to break the law, to sully the grand jury system, and to hurt innocent people, just to make political hoopla -- like the democrats are trying to impose on Barr.

But Barr has the full force of the law on his side -- the hoofbeats you hear are just horses, not zebras, as the sounds fade into the distance.

It's but a leftist MSM campaign to fool the people. Again.

 

At some point, you have to wonder why democrats are screaming at the top of their lungs to have Barr break the law. We all know that democrats know the law, and yet, here they are, wailing that Barr should just break the law, and satisfy them. Isn't that the game? Make Barr do something they can use to prosecute him for? Because they're so butt hurt they need to take it out on someone? If I were Barr, I'd start my response with.. "sir/madam", you understand that what you're asking for violates sections (x). of the federal code, and go from there. Democrats being publicly lambasted for their own conspiracy to commit a federal crime in public hearings shouldn't go unnoticed or unprosecuted....

 

It's all that's left of Russia! Russia! Russia! It's a Hail Mary from their own end zone. It's all they gots.

 

I wonder why democrats are leading with "break the law" from their perches. Why not just respond to them by suggesting that "sir/madam" what you are asking for violates federal code x.y.s and because it does, you are engaged in conspiracy to commit a felony. Now that would be some theater...

 

The Report, by statue, is a confidential report. As one who has been a custodian of classified documents, I can say that confidential reports do not contain state secrets.

 

It likely doesn't, but since it is under the auspices and control of the law, it doesn't matter. Barr need only conform to the law and let all the hoopla and bullshit pass over like a hot air balloon.

 

I love the smugness of conservatives on this subject. It is really entertaining, watching Republicans getting all indignant and cocksure. Yet knowing all along the underlying corruption that lies at the heart of the Republican Party.

We all know that Trump has some funny business with the Russians. But then all of that Russian campaigning for Trump and the Republicans, the financial support they have been giving to the NRA, and your dear leader's complicity with Russians, seem to have transformed conservatives into Russian lovers. Is that the red pill that ya all have swallowed. The red pill of Russian loving oligarchial authoritarianism.

 

Is butthurt over your guy being so dumb that even if not guilty he did EVERYTHING to screw himself with suspcious behavior and a desire for revenge. It's silly partisan tripe and chest thumping with nothing to back you is al it is.

Being as that is a fabrication of trump's defense team and alt-right media outlets, there is no worry for Democrats, It's just oversight. The only possible pitfall is overreach in the eyes of the public. As long as it's just Trump's base whining, it's a NOTHINGBURGER!

Delicious huh?

 

Ok, I'm confused... weren't you an enthusiastic supporter of the last administration and their closeness and corruption vis a vis China? Is that that what this is about. Is it as simple as that?