Trump must release tax returns or be barred from state’s 2020 election ballot

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We will find out more than likely if you have a judge that agrees with you. i see Trump winning this case.

    Are you and I very close friends? If we are, give me your true name so I can come up with a creative way to sound very familiar with you.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would also think that we should require all candidates to turn over their personal diaries and personal computer hard drives to be eligible for the ballot.

    Polygraph tests ... Medical records

    Hell, why stop with personal tax info?
     
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    That's not how it would go. Try again.
     
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    William Dlwgosh Active Member

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    I don't need to be looking for anything specific. Again, the country, including those who didn't vote for him, is being governed by a man who has been repeatedly proven fraudulent and who has refused to disclose financial papers that are traditionally disclosed. That raises a flag that Would be easily resolved by Trump... but he hasn't, which raises a flag.

    What specific thing were the Repubs hoping to find in Hillary's emails?
     
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    No, my friend. That's not what would happen.

    Dig deep. Whose ox is being gored here?
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually he is accused for fraud, but legally not found guilty for fraud.
    The executive branch is being managed. But though we complained loudly as to how Obama ran ig, he managed to stay for 8 years. Trump will do the same.

    Hillary used Federal property to convert it to her private property. And alleges she lost all of it.
     
  7. Nemesis

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    Err, huh? Where are you getting this from?
     
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    Yes in a conflict between to two branches over a law one would sue the other and it will go to court.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From her tax returns. See according to Democrats all such crimes are located on a page in the tax return.
     
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    You're getting that Trump was accused of fraud from Clintons' tax returns? Or that she "stole" federal property?

    Jesus.
     
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    So once again an anti-Trumper demands to see his tax returns but can't come up with a reason to do so. Don't you think you should have a valid reason, a purpose in doing so since he is NOT required by law to disclose those private records?

    You mean the emails of the Secretary of State which belong to the government and the taxpayers and are required to be archived properly? Well to spring board was to read the communications leading up to, during and the after the Benghazi attack of course then it was discovered she was using an unsecured server for all of her official communications which violated the espionage act.
     
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    No. Congress doesn't sue the IRS.

    Try again.
     
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    See https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/trump-wrong-about-tax-law/

    Of course, Sekolow says what hardcore Trumpers hope for - that Trump can contrive excuses, if he actually believes keeping his fake promise and exposing the truth contained in them would be damaging to him, for continuing to hide his tax returns, despite his having assured the American people that he would release them
    The law does not require that a "need" be explained, nor is there any arbiter designated to determine what constitutes such a "need."

    “Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.”
    Chairman Neal's being authorized to request them is clear as a legal matter, but the public's right to expect trump to keep his word is a political one.
    The American public can persist in demanding Trump honor his promise to release them, relentlessly, from now until November 3, 2020, and Trump can keep contriving excuses for refusing to do so if he thinks he needs to keep hiding them from Congress and from the American public.
     
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    I'm not personally demanding to see his returns. That the dude is shady is hell having run multiple fraudulent entities, refusing to disclose traditionally disclosed financial papers and is governing the country though... how is that not enough of a reason to have a concern? I'm not arguing that I'm entitled to see his returns, I'm saying it raises a flag to me that he doesn't want to show them and that it ought to raise a flag for you too.

    I don't need to suspect Trump of a particular crime to expect that he's hiding 'something' in his tax returns.
     
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    Even assuming that a legislative purpose is necessary (it's not, as the statute implicitly concludes that Congress has one), a court is not going to second guess another branch of government's stated purposes; it just isn't.

    A Trumper pipe dream is not the law because you kind sorta wished that it was.
     
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    Congress has the right to see the President's tax returns.

    He can go to court, but that won't help but only hurt him.
     
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    It's a political stunt. There is no legitimate investigation for which to request the returns.
    They all know it
     
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    Investigations are a legitimate function for which the request can be made.
    Congress cannot make the request just for the **** of it.

    Who takes it to court?
    Nobody is going to hand them to you. You better figure out how you're gonna get them.
     
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    ....as part of a legitimate investigation, of which there isn't one.
    Hold you breath waiting. Ready, set, go.
     
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    I'm still waiting for someone to answer me from another thread. Which line and form from Trumps tax filing is money laundering placed?
     
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    If the Democrats keep pursuing I have little doubt it will and the court precedent will be injected. They Congress can't just investigate someone to see what they can find, there must be a legislative purpose that only these records can satisfy if we go by the law.
     
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    The Congress can certainly (it has the power) to subpoena the President's records.

    No one on this Board is qualified to say Congress does not have that power.
     
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    Based upon what?
     
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    It’s only a stall by Bonespurs J. Scofflaw.
     
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    A court will not substitute its judgment for Congress’ judgment, even assuming that it would consider the argument.
     
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