American Wages, the Minimum Wage and Income Brackets

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  1. danielpalos

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    it must be under our Constitution. we merely need a supreme argument, not merely a superior argument.
     
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    Smart kid. Which is not to say that an English Major is entirely worthless.

     
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    You only say that because you have no rational argument if you can't, "specially plead away" Government. There is no secular and temporal Trinity of laws.

    We have a Mixed-market economy that is part socialism and part Capitalism.

    Congress commands fiscal policy and the fed commands monetary policy.

    A command economy is socialism not capitalism.
     
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    It is the impossible dream.
     
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    equal protection of the law happens all the time. you merely appeal to ignorance to claim you are right.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    IOW, you are unable to find any dictionary that confirms your definition of "government". :)
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    No, equal protection of the law does not happen all the time. That would be impossible. Equal protection of the law is an ideal.
    Idealists are inevitably disappointed by reality.
     
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    lol. i gave you the reasoning; i don't appeal to authority if i can't find an Aedile.
     
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    This is what you posted: "Government is socialism; there is no public justice under capitalism.".

    This is the actual definition of government.

    government
    noun, often attributive
    gov·ern·ment | \ ˈgə-vər(n)-mənt , -və-mənt; ˈgə-bᵊm-ənt, -vᵊm-\
    Definition of government


    1: the act or process of governingspecifically : authoritative direction or control
    2obsolete : moral conduct or behavior : DISCRETION
    3a: the office, authority, or function of governing
    bobsolete : the term during which a governing official holds office
    4: the continuous exercise of authority over and the performance of functions for a political unit : RULE
    5a: the organization, machinery, or agency through which a political unit exercises authority and performs functions and which is usually classified according to the distribution of power within it She works for the federal government.
    b: the complex of political institutions, laws, and customs through which the function of governing is carried out
    6: the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization: such as
    a: the officials comprising the governing body of a political unit and constituting the organization as an active agency The government was slow to react to the crisis.
    bcapitalized : the executive branch of the U.S. federal government
    ccapitalized: a small group of persons holding simultaneously the principal political executive offices of a nation or other political unit and being responsible for the direction and supervision of public affairs:
    (1): such a group in a parliamentary system constituted by the cabinet or by the ministry
    (2): ADMINISTRATION sense 4b
    7: POLITICAL SCIENCEstudied economics and government
    Merriam-Webster.com

    When you publish your own dictionary I will let you get away with redefining the terms of the debate/discussion. :)
     
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    True free market capitalism has no public justice only private justice.
     
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    @danielpalos
    Don't you find socialistic or capitalistic programs equally problematic
    because ONE group of people politically pushes their will on OTHER groups.

    Unless all people across ALL these groups AGREE, that isn't public consensus and interests of EVERYONE EQUALLY.

    In both cases, aren't we suffering from large groups battling to dominate and impose
    their beliefs (whether socialistic or capitalistic) over the others opposing?

    NOTE: in the case of "free market or free choice"
    the presumption is that socialist groups can still CHOOSE to setup and run their OWN groups by SOCIALISM.

    but not vice versa: if socialistic groups impose THAT system through govt on others,
    they do not have equal choice to operate under free market.

    The least restrictive means that allows BOTH groups, both capitalistic and socialistic approaches,
    to choose their own ways of operation would be the FREE MARKET or FREE ENTERPRISE
    system. (This is similar to the argument that pro choice approaches
    allows both prochoice and prolife groups to practice their beliefs equally by FREE CHOICE of either one.)
     
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    Not really. I understand Government is Socialism. It is the public sector and public sector means of production that is owned and operated, by the People, for the People and of the People.
     
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    Splain please.
     
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    What special pleading are you using for capital justice over social justice?
     
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    This is how socialism really works: 'means of production of the people owned and operated by the ruling political class, for the ruling political class.'
     
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    Yes, but it means nothing.

    There is only one so-called Socialist County - and it is North Korea ... !
     
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    You don't seem to understand that if you want to challenge a remark entered by another person, you MUST quote whatever content that you are challenging.
     
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    Paris is not the best example.

    The rest of France has a general level of pricing far, far less than Paris. Paris is becoming unlivable - but the French do not seem to understand that fact. (And I'm not alone in that opinion that comes also from French friends.)
     
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    Depends upon where you live.

    No problems in Europe, where government healthcare is amongst the world's best. And why?

    Because it does no cost an arm-and-a-leg (pun intended) to get a medical degree in Europe. My own dentist, when asked, said it cost him $1300 per year (the equivalent of Euros.)
     
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    The public sector is owned and operated by the People.
     
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    It is not. The "Public Sector" always belongs to the ruling political class.
     
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    The UK is part of Europe.

    "Under fire ... Tony Blair is questioned live on air
    Mr Blair told her: “I can’t suddenly just produce more dentists. We have to train them. I can’t force them from the private sector into the NHS.”
    Valerie said: “Mr Blair didn’t seem as though he had an answer.

    “The ten teeth I have got left are OK. But in another month or two I’m going to need a dentist.
    “It would be nice for somebody to take them out properly for me.”

    Ouch ... Valerie used pliers to pull teeth

    She added: “The only way to get rid of the pain from my teeth was to pull out the infected ones.
    “I had a few pints of lager then screwed up my face, put the pliers against the tooth and yanked. It’s lucky I like milk pudding and mashed potato.
    “My husband can’t stand to watch. But he’s lucky — he had all his teeth pulled out 30 years ago and got a set of false teeth for about a fiver.”

    The confrontation came on a live question and answer session with the PM on Sky TV.
    THE SUN, I pulled out my own teeth Plea ... Valerie, 64, is desperate for NHS dentist, By TREVOR KAVANAGH, 3/31/05.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005142569,00.html
     
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    I did.
     
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    How does that work in the US?
     
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    Again: "Then you admit that my statement was accurate.
    Again, "Equal protection of the law does not exist in any socialist country." Ddy
     

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