A Thread To Discuss White Supremacy

So in another thread, I noted that the right doesn't seem interested in the problem of white supremacy. As with Trump, there always seems to be a sort of shrug. A huge concern about "assaults" on people who wear red hats, and the supposed violence of Antifa...

but not much concern for white supremacy.

So this is a thread to discuss white supremacy, neo Nazis, white nationalists, etc. The violence, crimes, and influence on the world today.

There are so many different angles and articles, I can't even decide where to begin....shootings in synagogues and Mosques, the influence of internet forums and chat groups, Trump's various comments, people like Steve King and Roger Stone, the hundreds of organized groups around the world, etc etc etc etc.

I will start, I guess, with this article to get the ball rolling:

Why White Supremacist Attacks Are on the Rise, Even in Surprising Places
http://time.com/5555396/white-supremacist-attacks-rise-new-zealand/
While President Trump answered a query about whether he thinks white nationalism is a growing global threat, in a press conference following the Islamophobic terrorist attacks that targeted two New Zealand mosques and killed 50 people on March 15, he was dismissive: “I don’t, really,” Trump said. “I think it’s a small group of people that have very, very serious problems.”

This statement puts him at odds with the beliefs of people studying the matter. As University of Southern California homeland security scholar and former FBI agent, Erroll Southers has said, white supremacy is no longer a movement on the fringes but rather “is being globalized at a very rapid pace.” This is happening within a larger trend. University of Maryland professor Gary LaFree, who established the Global Terrorism Database, has observed that, “We’re seeing terrorism affecting a larger number of countries.”

But why is this happening now?

According to research conducted both at the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism, which I direct, and beyond, it has become clear that political polarization has provided an opportunity for violent bigots, both on- and offline. Times of change, fear and conflict offer extremists and conspiracists a chance to present themselves as an alternative to increasingly distrusted traditional mainstream choices. White nationalism has reflected a coarsening of mainstream politics, where debates on national security and immigration have become rabbit holes for the exploitation of fear and bigotry.

The U.K.’s Home Office reports that hate crime there surged following the Brexit vote in the summer of 2016, shortly before which a Member of Parliament who opposed the referendum was murdered. Our forthcoming analysis of FBI data, done in conjunction with Cal State’s John Reitzel and West Virginia University’s James Nolan, also found that November 2016 was the worst month for hate crime in the U.S. since September 2002, with 758 incidences; the day after the election, Nov. 10, was the worst day since June 2003, with 44 incidences alone. And while there was an initial increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes after the 2015 jihadism-inspired terror attack in San Bernardino, such crimes surged to even higher levels five days later, when Trump said there should be a “total and complete shutdown” of allowing Muslims to enter the United States.

The troubles have continued. A 2017 ABC/Washington Post poll found 9% of respondents regarded Nazi views as “acceptable.” Europol noted that right-wing extremists arrests on the continent nearly doubled in 2017 over 2016. And in 2018, the Anti-Defamation League reported a 182% increase in hate propaganda, like leafleting at colleges, compared to the year before; according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of hate groups in America hit 1,020 last year, the highest level they’ve ever recorded.

Our most recent police data, found a spike in many large U.S. cities around election time 2018 as well. But like the otherwise very peaceful New Zealand, the most notable increases were perhaps surprisingly found in the bluest and most diverse “liberal” cities. New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia and Chicago were among the cities that saw November or fourth-quarter spikes in 2018, while San Diego and cities in Texas did not. Indeed, most of the larger American cities saw a decline in hate crimes in the first half of 2018, only to have the trend reversed in the second half, as America experienced a conflictual midterm election with “immigration,” “wall” and “caravan” as key buzzwords. By year’s end, our research found hate crime in 30 large American cities hit a decade high of over 2,000. We also found Ideologically motivated murders by white supremacists increased in 2018 to 17, from 13 in 2017, while violent Salafist Jihadist killings dropped to only one.

All of this is compounded by not only the expansion, but the diversification of social media with respect to both structure and content.

When the first white supremacist website, Stormfront, launched in early 1995, its logo proclaimed “White Pride World Wide.” Its chat forums were divided by location (and subject) — each one displaying a national flag of various countries around the world — but they shared a common theme of white racial supremacy. Stormfront represented a significant advancement over white supremacy’s first domestic foray into the digital arena, through 1985’s Aryan Liberty Net: a clunky dial-up bulletin board that proclaimed itself an “Aryan brain trust” accessible to any “patriot in the country.”

Stormfront’s violent reach expanded to hundreds of thousands of registered users around the world, where it also served as an international sounding board for some of the worst racist terrorists of our time. Among them are Anders Breivik, who murdered 77, most of whom were children, in Norway in 2011, and Dylann Roof, who slaughtered nine black parishioners at Mother Emanuel church in Charleston, South Carolina, in June 2015. Both terrorists wrote manifestos bemoaning transnational threats to whites, a primary grievance that in turn inspired the alleged Christchuch, New Zealand, killer.

The alleged Christchurch terrorist’s international lens focused on these far-away killers in his own rambling racist and Islamophobic manifesto. And like those other killers, he incorporated not only hardened bigotry, but also mainstream pundit content from around the world. He appears to have drawn on not just Nazi doctrine, but a French book — one that promotes the heinous and misguided doctrine of “replacement.” This ideology was also chanted by the torch-bearing marchers at Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 12, 2017, yet targeted at a different religious group.

As the Internet has expanded and fragmented, so too has the array of often cross-linked, hate-filled sites and platforms. The reach and evolving streaming capacities of such sites have transformed even unaffiliated lone hatemongers from merely being posters on traditional bulletin boards to global broadcasters, where they can livestream or tweet not only bigotry, but vandalism and now terrorism.

The factors that led to President Trump’s election have influenced the mainstreaming of the very white supremacy that he dismisses: a distrustful, divided polity, and an expanding, chaotic digital media. If we are going to be serious about facing the growing threat of far-right white nationalism around the world, we and our leaders have to acknowledge it, before we can effectively counter it.

Words alone will not be enough. We need to streamline the way authorities investigate and coordinate homegrown extremists of all kinds, including white nationalist ones, and Congress should hold hearings on the matter; meanwhile, social media companies need to enforce their existing restrictions relating to violent and bigoted content, as well as reform their live-streaming policies so that terrorists cannot easily broadcast their propaganda.

But when President Bush spoke of tolerance after 9/11, hate crimes against Muslims dropped; it is fair to compare this with the spike after Trump announced his Muslim ban. Leaders must be aware of the impact of their position on civic and social cohesion — otherwise, terrorists will gain strength in the cracks that divide us.

 

The left’s two favorite boogie men, white supremacy, and Russia.

 

Hey, the first shrug...what a surprise.

 

America’s greatest terrorist threat? White supremacists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/can-we-forget-politics-and-just-focus-on-keeping-people-safe/2019/05/03/d6cfe574-6d24-11e9-8f44-e8d8bb1df986_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1af0457a3e1f

When I visit a synagogue or Jewish community center in my congressional district, I usually pass by armed security. Inside, people sometimes share heartfelt concerns about boycotts of Israel or the controversy over remarks about Israel by Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.). But those aren’t the reasons for the guard at the gate.

From time to time, I also attend Friday prayers at local mosques. Recently, there have been state police officers standing watch outside.

Political debates in the United States can be untethered from facts, but threats to life focus minds on reality. The reality today is that when it comes to organized violence, Jewish and Muslim Americans, as well as members of other minority groups, face the same threat: white-supremacist terrorism.

According to the Anti-Defamation League, the overwhelming majority of terrorist killings in the United States since 2009 have been committed by white people motivated by a specific ideology: the belief that America belongs to them and must be protected from “globalist” (read: Jewish) elites and immigrants of all kinds.

Over the past two years, white supremacists have plainly been emboldened. The evidence can be seen in the crackpot conspiracy theories spreading virally on social media, the “Unite the Right” marchers in Charlottesville and swastikas suddenly appearing in schools. (Summit, N.J., a city inside my district, has had six such incidents in the past five months.) Anti-Semitic incidents, including bomb threats, assaults and cemetery desecrations, rose by 60 percent from 2016 to 2017.

If the threat came from outside the United States, these facts would be enough to galvanize Americans around a plan of action. But this threat comes from within. And because it originates on the political right, describing it accurately can be difficult to do without sounding partisan, without making one side feel uncomfortable. So we blame the violence on vague boogeymen of intolerance and hate — which we acknowledge exist on the left as well as the right.

Anti-Semitism does, indeed, come from both sides. But this new wave of terrorism does not. The accused killers have clearly announced who they are, and we have to understand their inspirations and motivations to know how to stop them. The alleged shooter at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh last October was obsessed with migrant caravans from Central America and blamed a Jewish aid organization for bringing “invaders that kill our people.” The alleged shooter who gunned down Muslims in Christchurch, New Zealand, in March also said he acted to stop immigrant “invaders.” The suspected gunman in Poway, Calif., last month said in a manifesto that he was inspired by the terrorists in both Pittsburgh and Christchurch, and that he had tried to torch a mosque before attacking a synagogue.

In the past, every authoritative voice in the country would be communicating to these people that they are isolated in their crazy beliefs. Now, they find validation in the president of the United States, who, on the day of the New Zealand attacks, referred to an immigrant “invasion” of the United States, and who seems incapable of calling white-supremacist attacks terrorism. These bigots hear politicians and cable-news hosts attacking the FBI, alleging “deep state” coups and calling fact-based journalism “fake news,” reinforcing their mistrust of authority and conspiratorial thinking.

What would we do if we could forget politics and just focus on keeping people safe?

Congress would be considering a domestic-terrorism statute, which would make it easier to arrest suspects before they can carry out murderous plots. Democrats and Republicans would be working urgently together to elevate the offices at the Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security that combat domestic terrorism, and to give them more resources. Given white supremacists’ transnational links, we’d be encouraging U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies to share information about them with allies around the world, as they do with information about backers of the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. We’d be telling social media companies not just to put out fires by banning extremists from their sites but also to make their product less flammable by changing the algorithms that suck users into extremist bubbles.

We in Congress would also react with bipartisan revulsion when an American leader employs words and ideas that mirror those used by terrorists.

That doesn’t mean Americans can’t respectfully debate immigration policy or support Trump’s border wall. But talk of immigrant “invasions” or of immigrants as killers and rapists — reinforcing the delusions of the people responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks against Americans today — should be intolerable. I recently introduced a resolution in the House that condemns this language, while embracing President Ronald Reagan’s belief that “if we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.” Surely, we can still agree on that.

 

I always think that “white supremacists” must be the most pathetic people in the world. I mean if the ONLY accomplishment in you entire life is that you were born a certain colour, well, it does not say much about you!

 

Are you throwing that accusation at me? If so, I’ll let you know what i think of race baiters such as yourself.

 

They own both, actually.

 

Is this really a thread for you to brag about your "white supremacy"?

 

For once we agree. I just want to know why I keep hearing things like white supremacist attacks are up by 50% but on one ever gives the raw numbers. Probably the same reason they use 400 ppm instead of 1 part per 2500. It sounds scarier. For all we know there were four last year and 6 this year, while that's still way to many, it wouldn't exactly be indicative of a major problem. And New Zealander dude doesn't like Muslims but he loves him some Chicoms especially how they deal with their Muslim problem. Remember Sinkiang province in China was majority Muslim. I don't thing he actually fits the mold for a white supremacist.

 

I would have to agree that White Supremacy is an issue in the 21stC. As soon as we started playing Identity Politics, the WS (white supremacists) revealed themselves. Initially it almost looked as though they actually cared. Didn't take long to realise that race was their prime mover, not equality. They're even worse now, of course. They flat out lord it over brown folk, in a pretense of concern.

 

On this forum, it seems if someone knock someone's red hat off, that is indicative of a major problem.

What would you need to see for you to consider it a (major) problem?

 

The answer is really easy.

The US was founded as a White Supremacist nation and through its entire history has been White Supremacist.

That is changing now and White people are unhappy about it.

 

Please note most of the socalled hate crimes listed at least those that aren't false flag operations Like Smollet's, aren't much more serious than knocking off some one else's hat which by the way is misdemeanor assault.

 

Homegrown Terrorists In 2018 Were Almost All Right Wing
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year, and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an “incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the Jews were dead.”

When white extremists kill, politicians do not demand that they be racially profiled. They do not call for bans on white people coming to the United States. They do not insist that white people’s freedom of movement be restricted, their houses of worship be surveilled, their leaders be banned from holding public office, or their neighborhoods be “secured” and occupied by armed agents of the state. And they do not demand that taxpayers foot the bill for a massive, symbolic monument that will register America’s official disdain for white people in perpetuity.


From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists. In other words, most terrorist attacks in the United States, and most deaths from terrorist attacks, are caused by white extremists. But they do not cause the sort of nationwide panic that helped Trump win the 2016 election and helped the GOP expand its Senate majority in the midterms.

 

Was that an answer to what I asked?

 

Why does Trump and his supporters shrug this sort of terrorism off?

 

What terrorism? Did Trump send pallets of cash to Iran? Obama directly funded a terrorist organization.

Yet, you are chasing a bunch of morons who have been around since the Civil War.... founded by your own party. lol

 

1. All supremacists are scumbags.
2. All supremacists have the right to their idiot beliefs
3 supremacists are entitled to act however they wish until they commit a crime or specifically call for crimes to be committed.
Until that time we are required to tolerate them
When a supremacist commits a crime they should be punished just like anyone else.

I am very strongly opposed to limiting their freedom because they might commit a crime. That's unconstitutional and would be the beginning of the end of freedom which is vastly more important than security.

I refuse to live in fear because someone might hate me for whatever reason.


I think hate groups of all stripes are a problem. On a global basis i think anti semitism is by far the biggest problem it's also the most politically tolerated.

I consider myself an enemy of anyone who hates another.

Not all white nationalists movements are motivated by hate, many ofvthem are just nationalists who happen to be predominantly white.

The supposed violence of Antifa, i think before we can have an honest discussion you'll have to admit that Antifa is itself a hate group

 

Democrats are the party of white supremacy, but yeah.......
Jim Crow
Slave trade
Trail of tears

 

What's wrong with white supremacy?

Sorry, but I grew up with hearing crap like 'black is beautiful' and watching Greg Brady turn his perfectly fine hair into what can only be described as an afro.That mofo didn't have naturally curly hair! He worked at it!

I hear all of this stuff about white supremacy as if it is inherently bad without hearing any arguments to the contrary.

Don't like white supremacy? Yeah well, people in hell probably don't like the lack of ice water. So what?

 

What terrorism???????

Did you read the articles?

The subject is white supremacy here in the U.S. and around the world.

Anyone who says the bull about these morons being founded by the Dem party of Civil War times is part of the problem.

These morons are not Dems, so don't even bother with that crap.

 

Oh Lord.

We are talking about the year 2019.

 

I guess when a White Supremacist bursts into your church and murders your friends and family, maybe you'll care.

But that won't happen, will it...I suppose because the White Supremacists are your friends and family.

 

Of course they are Dems. ANTIFA is too. Where are the giant "white supremacy" attacks across the globe?

 

Antifa is a hate group.

Okay, now let's talk about Neo Nazis and White Supremacists and the violence and crime they commit.